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QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Mar 5, 2011 -> 02:01 PM) my only concern is that his doc says it takes a year to heal and here is pitching 8 mos. later. Hope the Sox and Peavy know what they're doing. That's an orthopedic surgeon pulling his Scotty routine from Star Trek (yes I'm old), when the pitcher comes back early he will look like a genius. I've worked with many of Romeo's patient and he's a good doc but he's still an orthopedic surgeon. He knew very well that the injury would heal in 3-4 months and then it was a matter of rehab, which most surgeons know little about. No one knew how it would go or how it will still go because it's unique for a pitcher. Everything is right on schedule for a tendon re-attachment procedure, they just need to see how the strength stands up to pitching and how many pitches he can throw.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Mar 5, 2011 -> 04:01 AM) http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Aq1k...ywhitesox030411 Passan writes a pretty good article on Peavy's start today and his recovery. There actually has been a pitcher with an injury like Peavy's - Brent Leach. He recovered to full velocity afterward. So that's a good precedent. t The article is written with only partial information and is inaccurate. He tries to combine different ideas to sensationalize it. The injury Peavy suffered is not a tendon tear as he describes in the latter part of the article. He attempts to compare them but the detached tendon is different then a tendon tear. He states in the article that this is the worst of the tendon injuries. That is wrong again. Tearing a tendon mid-substance is much worse. that surgery is like tying two pieces of spaghetti together and it doesn't work well. Re-attaching to bone is easier to do and has better results. He calls this injury an avulsion which is wrong. An avulsion is when the tendon or ligament pulls off a piece of bone with it. Those are relatively easy to fix as you just pin the bone down and it heals like a fracture. It's an interesting article but it seems like he got a few different sources of information and put it together quickly and confused a few of the combine topics.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Mar 4, 2011 -> 02:40 PM) ptatc just waiting to hit "send"... Yep. Just got home and watched him pitch. He still stands to high during the follow through and puts stress on his arm for deceleration. If he would bend more at the waist and get his chest parallel to the ground he would be better off. However, he did not drop too low during any pitch. All that being said, it was a very encouraging outing. We'll just need to see how he is feeling tomorrow.

QUOTE (ChrisLikesBaseball @ Mar 4, 2011 -> 02:28 PM) Jeff Passan (Yahoo) says Peavy is between 89 and 92 Wow, I surprised at this. It will be interesting to see how long he can go at that speed.

QUOTE (ChrisLikesBaseball @ Mar 4, 2011 -> 02:17 PM) No speed reading, but so far, so good. Ks the first batter he sees. I wouldn't worry about velocity at this point. It's a given that it will be slower.

QUOTE (ChrisLikesBaseball @ Mar 4, 2011 -> 02:19 PM) He's dancing around the outside corner to lefties. it was a pretty tight group of pitches according to game day. Shows good control.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 4, 2011 -> 02:16 PM) we should do an under/over on the number of times we see this post on Soxtalk this year. I'm sure most of them will be by me.

QUOTE (ChrisLikesBaseball @ Mar 4, 2011 -> 02:17 PM) No speed reading, but so far, so good. Ks the first batter he sees. Swinging K's which is a good sign. The movement is there.

Another Dunn strikeout with a runner in scoring position and less than two outs.

QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Feb 28, 2011 -> 02:15 PM) seriously Juan, trying to steal 3rd with no outs, Dunn at bat and Konerko on deck in the first inning, of the first spring training game? With the frequency that Dunn strikes out, I have a feeling you will see a lot of this. Odds are the pitcher isn't going to throw a straight fastball so it will be a better pitch to run on.

QUOTE (scenario @ Feb 27, 2011 -> 03:52 PM) http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/...illen-feud.html Would have been nice if Ozzie had handled the issue as maturely as Francona did. If so, this 'feud' would have been a non-issue 5 minutes after it started. I wonder if Francona would have been mature as you call it if one of his former pitchers said he couldn't manage a bullpen. It's easy to turn the other cheek when you have nothing personal involved.

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Feb 27, 2011 -> 05:50 PM) more/less blamed Cooper for either changing jake's mechanics, or not noticing that they were changed until way too late If I remember right it is the fact that they tried to stop him from dropping down so much. They did the same thing at the beginning of 2010 but when he wasn't doing well he went back to it. Cooper had the same trouble with Contreras. They finally found a compromise on how often to do it but it was a struggle.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 27, 2011 -> 01:00 AM) But the Mets didn't do it for building purposes, they did it because they are getting their asses sued and don't have enough money to honor contracts (or so I hear). True. I was just giving examples of teams that borrow from the league. Many teams borrow money for various reasons. They usually just do it for the really large amounts to decrease the interest they need to pay back.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 26, 2011 -> 02:25 PM) Mets took a $25M loan from the MLB? I didn't even know they could do that... Yes. It's similar to the loans the NFL teams take to build new stadiums. They get a loan from the NFL to meet the "matching funds" when the state or city offers money. I believe the Twins owner did this for their new stadium as well but I'm not sure.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Feb 26, 2011 -> 06:33 AM) But shouldn't she have a number somewhere to qualify for this thread?

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Feb 25, 2011 -> 12:24 PM) You throw high and in and you know there is more than a decent chance of that ball hitting the player, and a good chance of it hitting him in the head. Not only do you run the risk of severely injuring a human over a baseball game, but it would be media hysteria and a major distraction for the players. If you can't throw up and in without hitting the batter, you have no business pitching in the MLB. I'm not advocating hitting him, just to put a little idea in his mind so he's distracted.

QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Feb 25, 2011 -> 08:52 PM) OK I'm no expert so this is more of a question, but: does now Peavy become more of a "control" pitcher picking his spots (think: Maddox, or Buehrle) instead of trying to blow away batters with heat? Peavy will regain his previous strength and his fastball will be the same as it was prior to the injury. There is nothing wrong with the muscle it just needs to be strengthened. how long that takes is the question. I still think he will be ready for the beginning of the season or soon thereafter. As stated before, can he be effective without his tendency to drop down is the key. Physically he will be unchanged.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 25, 2011 -> 12:41 AM) Nothin wrong with a second opinion. Nobody's perfect, not even medical doctors. Especially not them! There is a reason it's referred to as the practice of medicine and not the science of medicine.

QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 05:27 PM) Ptac-- Is there a realistic chance that the re-attachment could come apart where, for lack of a better term, it has been "welded" back to the bone. I was under the impression that nobody is absolutely certain about that because we're kind of in unchartered waters. Or are you saying its akin to when a wound is healed with new skin and scar tissue; that once its "healed" there's no real risk it will rip open and bleed again where the separation had been? Thanks The reattachment will not come apart under normal stress. It was for the lack of a better term, tacked down and healed. It may still have the tack holding it down to the bone, depending on if they used a dissolvable one or not. The injury is healed and there is no longer any concern about it coming apart. While I have never seen this in jury in a pitcher, I have seen it in other throwers such as a javelin thrower. These athletes put alot more stress on their shoulders than pitchers do. Their elbow is locked during the throw and all of the force goes through the shoulder. The repair did not come apart in these cases and it won't in Peavy's case. However, back to Peavy, he just needs to v build the strength up in the lat for throwing. This is the unknown factor. As soon as he can throw with near normal velocity he will be fine. Then it will just come down to not dropping down as much to avoid the odd stresses on his shoulder.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 07:00 PM) Nice to see he hates the Sox as much as we do him: After reading that, the pitch I throw to Morneau is a high and tight fastball. I wouldn't hit him but get him thinking what may happen if I did. Not saying this specifically for Crain but any pitcher.

QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 09:35 PM) PTATC, have you ever seen an advantage to the pitching motion or arm strength if a lanky or really skinny player bulks up and gains weight and also gains strength in their arm? No. In fact studies show there is no correlation to muscle strength and how hard a person throws. There are so many variables that go into throwing. One of them is length of a lever arm so pitcher with longer arms have a better chance to throw hard but it's not a direct correlation. Intuitively, it makes sense that the stronger you are and the better built you are that you would have a decreased chance of injury but again there is no proof from a study. Mechanics are a different story. The smoother more direct mechanics seem to put less stress on the soft tissue structures of joints. However, hitters can see the ball better this way. The funky mechanics or "hiding the ball" with odd mechanics can give a pitcher an advantage. This is more likely to happen with lanky arms.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 05:24 PM) I feel that depends a lot on Sale's physical development. I can't imagine the Sox would be comfortable with Sale tossing 200 innings in a year given his current physical configuration. He's not Verlander, Strasburg, Prior, etc. where he's built like a horse straight out of college. That's true to an extent. Look at a guy like Jack McDowell. Some guys are just going to be long and lanky.If they feel he's strong enough they'll let me go.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 04:29 PM) You mean next year as in 2012 right? Because there is no way he pitches 200 innings in 2012, and I still highly doubt he gets there in 2013, but 180+ can be a possibility if they really push him along fast. Like J4L is saying, this is our first legitimate pitching prospect in a while. If we are going to actually stretch him out into a starter, then I A) don't want him in the bullpen in 2011 (which is a battle I already lost), and then B.) I don't want him being rushed back into the rotation and expecting him to take on a normal starters workload right away. If both A and B don't happen, I am going to be very disappointed with this organization. Yes, if he pitches in the pen this year, the Sox would limit his innings in 2012 to around 160-175. In 2013 they would allow him to pitch 200 or above. I trust the Sox to handle him properly as far as development is concerned at the MLB level. As the current team stands he is more valuable in the pen to the 2011 team. If Peavy isn't healthy and Buerhle and Jackson leave next year, it won't matter what the Sox do with Sale because the team will be bad. If Peavy is healthy and either Buerhle or Jackson return, you can pitch Sale as the 5th starter and keep his innings in an acceptable range.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 04:17 PM) A-Rod was once a great defender. He's pretty mediocre now. Pujols' defense hasn't regressed as fast since he's a 1B. Plus, WAR takes positioning into account and A-Rod has a a 1.5 win advantage every season from positioning alone. He had a 2 win advantage as a SS. Yet Pujols still has a higher WAR count in the past 10 seasons. I think that should say something about Albert's offensive and defensive abilities. Puljols is the better hitter. However, from the position stand point the better defense at a more important position would probably win out. I'm referring to the whole career not just as the players are today. As far as the WAR goes, I still think it's an invalid stat. It makes for good discussion and is probably the best attempt to compare players over different eras and comparing the value of pitchers and position players. However, as a way to compare position players to position players in the same timeframe, I'm not a big fan from a statistical point of view.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 24, 2011 -> 04:02 PM) Lol, all 120 innings or so? And then all 150 innings or so in 2013, and then all 180 innings or so in 2014? It won't be (or shouldn't be) until 2014 that Sale actually puts up a good sized workload. The Sox will not hold him back and only increase his innings by 30 per year. Your point is valid for next year and next year only. After that he would be ready for a 200 inning season based on workload. One thing you need to remember is that in out of the bullpen he will throw probably 60-70 innings. However in situations where he warms up and doesn't get into games and extra side sessions for bullpen pitchers he will get in 100 innings worth of throwing. Bullpen pitchers take alot of stress on thier arms compared to a starter. the stress of consecutive days throwing and the getting up and down probably equates to alot more innings than that. It really wouldn't take more than 1/2 a season to get his arm ready to start if they changed their mind right now.