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QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Mar 6, 2007 -> 05:11 PM) How does his love afair with Vaz cost us bmac. I understand the Young part, because he was traded for him. But bmac. As much as Javy frustrated me with his 6th inning crap last year, this is an awsome signing. The frustrating thing, is he would completely own a team, and then would unravel. The talent is obviously there, he just needs to either keep his mechanics in check past the 5th inning, or his mind in check as far as focus. If he can learn either of those two he can be a steal. This is the same concern many people had with Garland. People wanted him traded because he couldn't go deep in games. May be the Sox figure they can help JV with this also. For the price and length of contract, it is a great deal for the sox. I know most stat heads, believe wins are useless for pitcher's stats but I go back to my usual point. Until the league put the teams with the best stats in the playoffs wins are still the most important thing in baseball. Wins may not tell you how well the pitcher is pitching but it can tell you how valuable they are to the team.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Mar 5, 2007 -> 01:24 PM) I'm not sure who's supposed to pitch today but since they played a B game this morning and this game is on the road I'm sure it will be a good amount of youngsters. I'm pretty sick today which means I'm just kind of laying around feeling sorry for myself, I'll give some updates as the game goes on. Now that I think about it this is probably the Brewers broadcast so anyone in the Chicago Land area that can pick up 620 AM on their radio should be able to listen to the Sox today. It's always fun listening to Bob Uecker. I love listening to Uecker. When I was in college we would go to Brewer games and bring signs that said. "Ueckers pukers we're not leavin til we're heavin!!!" He would say on the radio that the pukers were in the stands today. Those were the days, I think!!!!

The same reasonRobin Ventura went from 21 to 23 after his rookie year......the rookie year sucked.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Mar 2, 2007 -> 05:39 PM) So you pick out individual moments? Who are you kidding? That makes absolutely no sense. I could pick out a more "situations" from other players who "blew" more games than BMac. It had to do with why they were negative with McCarthy not coddling him and always being positive What does this have to do with blame? Ozzie is being a dumbass, AGAIN, and I'm calling him on it. That's your right but I don't blame Ozzie for replying to McCarthy bashing Ozzie's team. Ozzie shouldn't defend his team I guess. ----------------------- McCarthy handles his Score interview with 100% class. After starting the whole mess by bashing the Sox, clubhouse and players.[ I don't hold it against Ozzie for defending his players/b] B-Mac People would rip Ozzie and Kenny for choosing the high road, for choosing not to air "dirty" laundry (although in this case, it seems the dirty laundry is coming from the manager's mouth)? Those people are idiots.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Mar 2, 2007 -> 05:37 PM) You mean that greedy, selfish, worthless, washed up guy? Don't forget the ever popular "he always wanted to be a Cardinal anyway."

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Mar 2, 2007 -> 05:25 PM) This organization is a JOKE when players leave. Best player to ever don a White Sox uniform? Trash that asshole. Ironically enough, Guillen actaully didn't say a word there. The best young pitching prospect this team has drafted and developed since Mark Buehrle. Trash him. Why do they CONTINUALLY air the dirty laundry? "Brandon was a big part of our 2005 WS run, but we like the talent we're getting in return." Done. End of story. Guys ask about it? NO f***ING COMMENT. Then everyone will rip Ozzie or KW for not telling the truth or hiding everything from everybody. We want everyone to just tell the truth except when we don't like it.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Mar 2, 2007 -> 05:19 PM) Ozzie apparently (I didn't hear the interview) said that if McCarthy wasn't with the club last year we would've made the playoffs. There's no excuse for saying that. None at all. Putting it on one guy? That's a f***ing joke, you NEVER do that. And the hypocrisy is hilarious. Ozzie is the guy who continually trotted out Mackowiak in CF. Ozzie is the guy who continually trotted out Podsednik in LF, despite the fact that there were at least FOUR beter starting options. Next year at SoxFest, someone needs to ask him where the Sox would've been had McCarthy not been on the 2005 roster. This is so f***ing ridiculous. I'm embarrassed by his stupid ass comments. It's great how things get taken. Ozzie was commenting on how McCarthy said the Sox were negative and had a negative clubhouse. Ozzie's reply was that he didn't get to know most of the team and that maybe it's hard to be very positive whyen he was pitching like crap. He could think of 5 situations where McCarthy blew games. If he hadn't blown those maybe we make the playoffs. granted he shouldn't lay it out there like that but McCarthystarted it all with bashing the Sox as being a negative team and too boring and Married. McCarthy is a smart guy it wouldn't surprise me if he bashed the Sox knowing how Ozzie would react. It's interesting how everyone enjoys busting on Ozzie but refuse to lay any blame on the players. If players suck Ozzie put them in a bad position. If the players do well, they did it despite Ozzie. He had abslutely nothing to do with showing confidence in them to run them out there to prove it.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Mar 2, 2007 -> 04:52 PM) That would be ridiculous, if true. Teaching a young player a lesson rather than attempting to win? When Anderson wasn't producing, I could understand benching him if it appeared his social life was becoming a distraction. But when someone begins to turn themselves around, as Brian did in the second half, the level of seriousness shouldn't matter. I disagree. If off the field stuff was causing his poor performance on the field he should be benched. I don't care how much he was starting to improve, if the off the field stuff continued. Ozzie has a duty to find out what his players are made of and to make sure they can be counted on in games. He has shown this by putting many young or unproven players in tough game situations to see how they handle it, even if it may cost the Sox a game. If he felt BA was doing more harm then good I have no problem with it. The Sox as an organization have a responsibility to continue to be good not drop off the face of the Earth. Being short sighted to win every game at the expense progessive thinking is why clubs like the scrubbies are mired in defeat.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Mar 2, 2007 -> 04:17 PM) If information comes out concerning McCarthy's attitude, and our management's displeasure with it, it makes me wonder about future young talent on this ballclub. Will we be patient with a potential superstar if he doesn't get along with our manager, or other teammates? How would we have handled Delmon Yountg throwing a bat at an umpire? I'm not willing to believe Williams traded Brandon because of his attitude alone, but you have to imagine it factored in. If you listen to his comments I don't think he is referring to attitude as a whole. It's pretty much an indictment of McCarthy and Anderson partying too much. The Sox, Guillen included think that these two weren't serious enough about the game. This must be the reason that BA was being becnched last year even when it seemed he was improving on the field. I for one have no problem with Ozzie saying what he did as because he felt that these guys were partying and it effected their play. Now if the partying truly effected the play or not it's impossible for us to know. But if your boss says stop partying and these two obviously didn't listen then you should be in the doghouse. I can't imagine that KW would have traded McCarthy just for this but when the Rangers came a callin for Garland as was first reported, I can picture KW saying "what about a younger cheaper McCarthy."

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Mar 1, 2007 -> 07:09 AM) If its no big deal and alright to send him to the mound with, why was Herm called to the mound, and Jenks lifted after 10 pitches? The other problem with having him pitch with shoulder tightness is he will compensate and may put more stress on the screw in his elbow. The only way to get through "tightness" is to throw and loosen it up. No amount of stretching will totally take care of it. As a MLB pitcher when you throw you routinely put your shoulder through 160-200 degrees of external rotation. This is equivalent to while standing with your arm out to the side, rotate your arm backward so the thumb is pointing straight down to the ground. Most normal people can't do this. But this is the range pitcher's need. So throwing until the arm lossens up is the best way to do this. Rest is not the correct option to correct this. This doesn't need to and probably shouldn't be done in a game situation. They probably just wanted to test him out and will now have him throw on the side until it improves. As you saud earlier you don't want to add stress to other parts of the arm. A shoulder problem can easily add stress to the elbow or visa versa. I hope it's not an elbow problem which is causing the weird mechanics he is describing which is causing an alteration of shoulder motion.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Feb 28, 2007 -> 07:31 PM) I predict Bobby Jenks' right arm falls off sometime before the start of the 2009 season. I really don't think it can hold up for much longer, I hope I'm wrong but I really believe this to be the case. Especially with the screw in the elbow. With that type of stress you never know. That's part of the reason the Angels let him go.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Feb 28, 2007 -> 06:17 AM) Pretty much. Dogged him for not being able to play through a little pain and then it turned out Frank had a torn bicep muscle. Oh yeah, then,about a week later Wells went on the DL for the rest of the year, unable to play through a little pain apparently. Triceps, factually speaking

QUOTE(scenario @ Feb 28, 2007 -> 05:40 PM) So.... we won 90 games last year with the same questionable outfield, the same shortstop having a miserable year, and when almost our entire starting pitching staff had career worst years... But we're going to only going to win 72 this year.... because why... because we got rid of Freddy Garcia??? Since Freddy is gone obviously nobody will play any better. So you take 90 wins minus Freddy's 17 and subtract another for the horrible McCarthy trade and you get 72 wins. It makes perfect sense to me.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Feb 28, 2007 -> 02:48 PM) One question would be is how Buerhle's velocity progresses this spring. Last year he was in the low to mid 80s. 2 years ago he was 88-90 for the most part. That little bit of velocity is huge for Buerhle. If he sits at 83-85 he better have pinpoint control. He did, he found nearly every bat. It may be bad baseball but it's better than no baseball!!!!!!!

QUOTE(ScottyDo @ Feb 28, 2007 -> 02:43 PM) anybody know what kind of pitches buehrle was throwing? Meatballs

QUOTE(SoxAce @ Feb 28, 2007 -> 02:13 PM) Eh... with the way teams are overpaying for average pitchers these days, Buehrle is still going to be pretty wealthy if he isn't with us. Don't you mena when?

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Feb 27, 2007 -> 04:54 PM) Don't forget Gio in that deal. He's the more valuable commodity out of the 2. Thank You for stating this. So many people are getting caught up in the hatred of the deal to realize that Floyd was the throw in. Gio is the one KW really wanted. In order to get someone like Gio, KW had to tkae a lesser player if they had MLB experience. I'm still not as down on Floyd as most people here. My friends who saw him pitch said his stuff improved towards the end of the year and in the AFL and I think he will be a decent starter.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Feb 24, 2007 -> 08:32 PM) Frank has not always been nice to the media, but I have never once heard that he was a bad teammate. I love the man and always will, he will always be my favorite player in a White Sox uni and favorite baseball player ever. Can't wait till he is enshrined in Cooperstown. I'm a big Frank supporter also but this isn't true. There were always reports of Ozzie or Robin or KW or someone complaining about his "stats first attitude" How he wouoldn't sacrifice his stats to move someone over. I don't think anyone thought he was a bad guy but definitely a "my stats first guy."

QUOTE(fathom @ Feb 26, 2007 -> 05:34 PM) Or someone can just be making a general comment about a pitcher after some of the recent things being said about him in the press. It would be amazing if Floyd can be a better than average 5th starter. However, I don't think he has a great chance of succeeding if he starts off in the majors right away. If he is trying to become a sinker pitcher, then I would like to see him master it in the majors before throwing him right into the fire. The best news to come out of today is that Uribe is back and playing. Hopefully that situation is in the past. Here's a question I have: why are the Sox so scared to give Fields the chance to win the LF position? With Crede in the plans for this year, and with other players who could fill in at 3rd base if needed, why not see if Fields can adapt quickly to the position? Let's see you don't want a pitcher in the majors who hasn't proved anything however you want a hitter who isn't proven in the majors to play a position he has never played before in professional baseball? You must rank defense lower than you do speed on the hierarchy of baseball skills. I know you really dislike Floyd but to start a guy in a position he hasn't played before and expect anything good is just silly. Remeber the early years of Lee in LF?

Over-stridng will decrease his follow through and as someone said earlier tend to leave the ball up more. Righetti has a valid concern also. If you don't complete the follow through, throwing the curve with the big break is much more difficult. He may compensate and lower the arm angle and completely change his best pitch. My guess is he was starting to have some shoulder discomfort. This type of of biomechanics will take stress off the proximal structure (shoulder) and transfer it down the chain to the next point (elbow). It will be interesting to watch. I haven't seen or broken down video yet. When I see it I'll run it through the computer and and check the stresses.

QUOTE(shoota @ Feb 15, 2007 -> 05:20 PM) Incorrect, perhaps your confusion is born from thinking the All-Star game evenly divides the halves of a season. Through the first 80 games of the season, Mark Buehrle had an ERA of 3.22. It wasn't until the 81st game of the season against the Cubs that Buehrle's season began to fall apart. Which yes, is the last day of the first half, but would be obtuse to ignore his 3.22 ERA entering the last game of the first half. So I'll say it again: Mark Buehrle had a spectacular first half of 2006. Why do so many people look at a season and insists on arbitrarily dividing it up? The last time I checked it is the team that has the most wins for the SEASON that get to go to the playoffs. Who cares if the first half or 3rd 8th or 12/16th of the season was good bad or spectuacular. You take the season as a whole and the team with the most wins moves on. I'm not saying it's good or bad but I think too many people get caught up in the details. it's a simple game you hit the ball you throw the you catch the ball. You lally gag to first you lolly gag to the outfield, what does that make you LOLLYGAGGERS. I love that movie. I watch it every year before spring training. Forgive the ramblings of a man stuck grading to many exams. I've got to give fewer exams during a trimester.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Feb 11, 2007 -> 03:50 PM) What if it does work? I'm not one to complain about Reinsdorf or our payroll, but that's utterly ridiculous if we're unwilling to sign extended contracts with pitchers AND positional players. Especially if mild success continues and the turnstyles produce at a reasonable pace. They may not have signed many significant, long term deals; but they've never had a payroll comparable to now. I'd really like to know who the hell are we bringing to our ballclub in future seasons? "Under the radar" can only go so far. Our minor league system is full of mid-lower tier talent , scouting doesn't exist south of Mexico, we're never in a position for good draft picks --so, how are we supposed to sustain success? I suppose the idea is trade current veterans for prospects. Fine, if the prospects you trade for are atleast equal to departing players. Personally, I like this theory, but it could work even further with certain FA signings. Not spending money to spend money, but bringing in signifcant talent such as Cabrera. Don't know about any of you, but I'm not going to accept this "OMG, teh market" if we're competitive with a 100+ million dollar payroll. Williams has assembled possible alternatives for our pitchers. Few are available for positional players -- especially infielders. I took this as a possibility that money would be spent if it were deemed necessary. From your comments, Steff, I guess not. We'll have to see. It's not the price or the payroll. We have a top 5-10 payroll and probably will for awhile if attendance is high. It's the length of the pitchers contract. Pitchers break down and miss time for inuries for more often than hitters. The Sox won't go for thelong term 5-8 year contracts that some pitchers are getting. I personally think this is good policy and agree with this practice.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 9, 2007 -> 09:25 PM) I did say Iguchi must be signed. However, at some point you have to separate homerism and sensibility and make the right decision, and in the case of both Dye and Crede, it's just not smart to keep them long-term - though Dye is easily a better and smarter choice than Crede. Iguchi is almost a necessity to keep though, and, from a PR standpoint, Buehrle is too (and if they can't resign Buehrle, they'll antagonize him. It sucks, but true). There is no way the Sox are going to re-sign MB. Pitchers his age are getting 5-7 year deals. The Sox won't do that and I don't blame them. This is why they stockpiled young near ready arms. The FA market will come back down again when the owners realize long term pitcher contracts don't work ala Hampton, Brown. It all cyclical.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Feb 7, 2007 -> 07:48 PM) http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view...amp;format=text It's a great look at Boras and baseball from the business point of view. I urge you all to read it. I love the quote about "I'm not in the business to help the team. There is no doubt that the guy is sharp and knows what he is doing. After reading this, I believe even more that he uses all of the computers and talk to convince players what he thinks is the best for them they should think is the best for them. You can't argue with the contracts. From the reports he may be getting A-Rod another raise!!!

QUOTE(shoota @ Feb 7, 2007 -> 05:55 PM) So you're saying the impact pun is straight? It's ok. But together with the other two??? Yeeesh