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QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 25, 2005 -> 02:15 PM) Iguchi hits a TOWERING ball off the CF wall for a double! Too High

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Mar 25, 2005 -> 01:04 PM) I'm sorry that you had to listen to Mike North. Agreed

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 25, 2005 -> 12:43 PM) On the subject of Babe Ruth & Barry Bonds, let's not forget that it is public record today that Ruth was essentially a lush. He played most of the times being buzzed & over-fed. To imagine what he would put up today with the focus to health & conditioning boggles the mind. Regardless of what any other player does Ruth in my opinion will remain the greatest player to ever play the game. Let's not forget dirty tricks with the norm when Ruth played. Pitchers did things that would clearly be illegal in the game today. The thing that really puts Ruth over the top in my book is that he hit more HR's than most other TEAMS. No one will ever do that in today. That is what makes him the greatest and why Bonds will never be as great as him: steriods or no steriods.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 24, 2005 -> 06:28 PM) You obviously have not looked at his hit chart: http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/stats/ml...1188&statType=1 It's tailor-made for Barry & probably few others. Now I'll say this again, look at the chart & look at the distance on his HR's. That's roids. There's no doubt about that. But there's also reason to believe w/out roids he'll still hit the HR's. Just no where near as far. Probably most of his HR's would have stayed in the BP. If you're saying Sosa is .350 OBP w/out roids & .400 OBP w roids that's not a major difference. In Sosa's case you could argue more of his HR's are fly outs because of his lower average & lower OBP preceding his HR years. There just is no one else like Barry in the game today. Now if you want to make the argument he'd be unable to play as much as he did I'll buy that. Barry has basically confessed that much. Without roids he's sitting a lot more than he did. That would have had the biggest impact on his numbers. What happens to the OBP when you are intentionally walked? This is not Bonds having a good eye or the pitcher missing the plate. He had 120 at bats where the other manager didn't even try. These IBB numbers have only increased in the last few years as a result of the increased HR's up to 73. If he was only hiotting 40-50 he would not get the IBB and the ungodly OBP that he has.

QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Mar 24, 2005 -> 03:57 PM) For me, when it comes to good burritos, money is no objective. Nobody has burritos like El Farol in Justice

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 24, 2005 -> 01:20 PM) The problem I have with making that leap is that the majority of Bonds HR's are in Covey Bay. That park is tailor made for that player. Roids stretched the distance on those HR's. Without roids he probably still hits them for HR's. So I agree the HR numbers would be down & the SLG numbers would be down but I don't think his other numbers would vary much. I give the park he plays in much more credit than the roids for his success. I respectfully disagree. Without the 73 HR's he would not get 120 IBBs. He may get most of the non-intentionals but not the IBB. He does have a great eye but you look at the HR's and that's why he was walked so often. This increased his OBP and OPS artificially. He would still be a great player but not out of this world.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 24, 2005 -> 11:48 AM) That's just mean. Yes, I've read the testimony by his ex girl-friend. Yes I believe it's pretty strong evidence against him that he used roids. But roids didn't help him to set the bar on walks to a level that may never been broken. No one on roids has ever come close to producing Barry's OBP or BA as consistently as he has. You can question the HR's but the rest of his numbers are probably in sync with what he would have done roids-free. As for trading Borchy if someone's out there & willing to overpay for him do it. J Borchard ST-05 .212A 14G 33AB 8R 7H 21TB 2D 0 4HR 11RBI Otherwise send him to AAA let him get his numbers up & trade him then. He has no future with the CWS. Hitting 212 in AZ is ridiculous. I'm done dreaming of his potential. He can't hit. He can only bash once in a while. The dilemma is that would he have those walks especially those 120 IBB if he didn't hit the home runs? Not all of the home runs were steriod enhanced but I bet the rate he hit them at is.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Mar 24, 2005 -> 10:18 AM) Guys, they ain't trading Foppert for Borchard. Foppert had some arm trouble last year but he's fine, probably going to be starting for them this year and he's put up good numbers in the majors and is still quite young. He's a superior player in comparison to Joe Borchard. I know like I said wishful thinking but I wonder what we could get, especially if Bonds continues to whine about being tired and sitting out most of the season.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Mar 24, 2005 -> 12:41 AM) Just call this a hunch, but by reading between the lines on some of these reports out of AZ, and knowing a bit about the rules, I have a feeling they are setting up the possiblility or option of putting El Duque on the DL to keep BMac up. He's pitched in nothing but intersquad games for a while now. If admission is not charged to these games he's appearing in, then they do not count as an appearance. Therefore, they can backdate his DL stint to the last time he appeared in a "real" game. That gives them the flexibility of pulling him off the DL quickly if someone faulters or goes down with injury. There was a quote in a paper a few days ago where Ozzie said his starting pitchers were going to pitch in a lot of B games especially early on for two reasons. One, he wanted to get a look at the future pitchers to see what he had to bring up later and two avoid letting teams he will face in the season get a good look at the pitchers. If you've noticed, Contreas, Garland, Hernandez and Garcia have all pitched in more B games than you normally see in ST. I think Ozzie is scarred by the 5th starter debacle from last year and wanted to see how the young starter do against major leaguers in ST.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 23, 2005 -> 10:00 PM) I almost want to watch some Giants' games just to see Moises flop around there. There's no more ivy for Alou to kick balls into. (my best impression of Alou in the field)

QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Mar 23, 2005 -> 09:39 PM) Is Foppert actually healthy now? I know he has had some troubles with health issues in the past and I think he was shut down for a part of last year. Reports are that he is doing well after the arm injury. Maybe they will take the chance and trade him?

QUOTE(JimH @ Mar 23, 2005 -> 08:07 PM) As we discussed at lunch, I don't see the matchup between the two teams. Ozuna 2-2 again today, hard to imagine he doesn't have the utility spot locked up. Levine says the Cubs are hot on the trail of a lefthanded reliever, of course fat Harry Teinowitz immediately mentioned Kelly Wunsch, Levine said it won't happen. The next 10 days will be interesting, in terms of personnel. I still smell a trade, of the minor variety. I don't know if anyone else talked about this but in baseball weekly it said that the Giants had a lot of interest in Borchard. It's probably increased with the current Bonds scenario. Maybe Jesse Foppert? (I know, wishful thinking)

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QUOTE(qwerty @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 07:20 PM) If b-mac comes up here for good wouldn't that be awesome that he could potentially be gone when he is 27? That is why you start the good prospects in the minors at the begining of the year to decrease their service time and you can keep them the extra year.

I agree. I like Hawk and he brings a great deal of knowledge to the broadcasts. But he tends to go overboard on his praise.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 07:07 PM) He has a bruise on his shoulder in other words. He might need a day or two off, but he should be fine. Yep. The only way contusions keep people out for an extended period of time is if they develop into a myositis ossificans. This is when the blood stays in the muscle for an extended period of time and bone starts to grow in it. So you have bone in the middle of a muscle. This is quite painful. The trainer for the Sox will not allow this to occur.

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 06:54 PM) Contusion = deep bone bruise. They vary in extermity of course, seeing as my wrist contusion made me unable to lift anything for two months. But seeing as how I am frail like the elderly, Rowand should be fine. A contusion does not imply a bone bruise. A boe bruise usually involves an inflammation of the periosteum or the covering of the bone. This covering doesn't bleed so they are painful but do not show up as contusions. In order for the bone to bleed it would need to fracture. What you may have had was the periostitis along with the normal contusion because in order to get to the bone you usually injure the soft tissue as well.

QUOTE(thelatinoheat_30 @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 06:40 PM) just saw on comcast that rowand was in a single A game today(to work on a hip flexor injury) and got hit by a pitch on the shoulder. he now has a contussion, dunno what that means and that's all they said on it. Contusion=bruise

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 11:18 AM) Congress holds the anti-trust exemption as the trump card. There's no question the IOC will have an impact on collegiate sports. That impact should trickle down to high schools. The pressure will increase over that time for MLB. That exemption is just as important to the players as the owners. I agree with all of your points in theory and I wish they would come true. But IMHO because of the of the difference in the cost and procedures with blood testing versus urine testing, you will not see much of a change in professional sports a or coolegiate sports. High schools will not test for steriods. Remember when they were talking about how to test for cocaine and such in high school? It won't go anyway due to the cost and issues of dealing with minors and privacy.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 06:04 PM) One reason Borchard has gotten a longer leash than most is that he does whatever is asked of him and works as hard, if not harder, than anyone in the organization. The guy is a class act, on and off the field, even if he hasn't gotten the results that everyone, including Borchard, expected. Not to mention the 5.3 mil signing bonus the largest in Sox history. I do however agree with everything else you said.

Without a doubt,MB. You can't replace your best pitcher. Look at the offense last year without Frank and Maggs with no good replacements. We still scored tons of runs but couldn't stop anyone from scoring. In baseball pitching and defense wins. Does anyone know the fundamental difference between baseball and all other sports? The defense has control of the ball/puck/object. This is why pitching and defense is so important.

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 04:58 PM) This is what I was told.. Mark is fine and it's been a tab bit exaggerated. Small stress fracture (which I guess is not really a "real" fracture but a "bend" of the bone and not really a "crack" in the bone ) of the bone that joins the top of the foot to the toe. Little bit of discomfort, but he's walking fine today and it's not even swollen. Having more tests. From the look and feel of it today, doesn't look/feel at all serious. What happened... Mark was out catching balls and he just went to move to scoop up a ball and his foot kind of went sideways and he heard a little snap. Initially thought it was just dislocated because it swelled immediately and he literally could not put any pressure on it (which sounds like where they (reporters) got the torn ligament assumption - and is in line with what I heard last night). So.. sounds like he's going to be fine. It couldn't have been "just a dislocation," In order to dislocate he would have has to injury many ligaments and the capsule as well. Hopefully it was just a "jam" or capsulitis and the snap he heard were just the tendons rolling over.

QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 05:06 PM) Anyone else thinking that the Sox trainers are offically the anti-Cub trainers? Cubs Trainers: "He'll be out a few day"="He may not play again this season" Sox Trainers: "He'll be out at least a month or 3"="He'll walk it off and be just fine" Herm is one of the best in the business and will stay there until he retires. The Cubs keep rotating them with mangerial changes and more. There is nothing else to say.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 04:31 PM) True. Torn ligaments are more of a nagging injury to heal. A bone break usually takes a set amount of time to heal. This is usually true for thr typical ankle sprain. However, if it involves the great toe as most people are saying then it is a little different. Mostly due to the amount of swelling that occurs. There is not as much room for the swelling around the toe so the healing is different.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 04:23 PM) Can anyone, from a medical standpoint, say whether or not it would be "better" for Buehrle to have a broken bone in his toe/foot, or a torn ligament? I assume the bone would be "better" (meaning he'd be out less time with that than the torn ligament), but can someone say for sure? It really depends on the ligament injured and how badly "sprained" it is. A fracture is 4-6 weeks. A ligament can be anywhere from 1 week for a mild sprain to 8-10 weeks for a more severe sprain. If he is walking as well as they say he is, then I would guess no more than a month for the very worst case. If the CT reveals a fracture then you are back to the 4-6 week area.