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QUOTE(T R U @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:31 PM) did I say those other things were cool? No I did not.. I dont understand where you get operating machinery while under the influence from what I said, I think I made it pretty clear what I was talking about.. Give me a list, with the EXACT percentage of wrestlers who have died from steroids since the Hogan era with proof it was caused from steroids.. without that I dont believe that bulls***.. so far, from what I have witnessed with my friends.. it has not "decreased" any qulaity in their life.. Listen to Steve Courson talk. He has had a heart transplant and a liver transplant due to his abuse of steroids in the NFL. How about Lyle Alzado who deid of a brain tumor caused from the steriods. While its true that there has been no clinical trails to definitively state steriods will kill you (as stated at the hearings) the evidence is growing as the NFL players from the late 70's to early 90's get older. We will see how many die early. Todd Bell from the Bears in the 80's died of a heart attack at the age of 46. While this does occur in the normal population it shouldn't occur in a man of his fitness level at the time of death. I'm not saying he was on steriods for sure butt watch the deaths of NFL players from the time period when they had a minimal steriod policy and it may change your mind.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 08:21 PM) Since the players, vote the guy in, I agree with Steff on this. It'd be pretty easy to replace him if they actually wanted a different style. It's true they vote him in, however I think he dictates the policy and they follow it. Because of the money he makes for them the don't attempt to vote him out. Regardless of who is leading the lemurs, I agree with you that the union is a little at fault then the owners, although the owners didn't try real hard in these negotiations.

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 07:33 PM) The players are the road block. Fehr is their puppet. I don't believe Fehr is the puppet. Like Marvin Miller, the head of the union convinces the players this is the right thing and they follow. Remember when the Sox as a team were going to skip the drug tests to make sure the minimum amount of negatives were found? Fehr went to Az and convined them not to do this because it may hurt other players. He has a great deal of power and the players as a group listen. I truly believe most players believe that tougher testing would be good but the union leaders have fought against it.

QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 01:52 PM) Guess I'm alone on this one. I just think he's arrogant and irritating. Whatever. Schilling is a great guy. Just ask him, he'll tell you.

Sosa is sitting between his attorney and interpreter. If he doesn't speak English very well, how will he know what his attorney is saying? Does his attorney speak Spanish?

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 01:10 PM) Testing for high school athletes seems like a no-brainer to me. When I played high school football, & swimming we were required to pass physicals. The school didn't administer it but we had to have the paperwork from our physicians to be eligible to play those sports. It seems like a no-brainer to me to simply include blood testing for not just doping but also std's & blood related diseases in these physicals for high school athletes. It seems to me that this would help greatly with those kids who grow an additiction to doping. Aside: They only made a special case for Thomas. All the rest have to appear in person. Big Frank via tele-conferencing from Tucson. Maybe Sosa doesn't understand the full range of substances that fall under doping. This a great point however the reality comes down to cost. With the trouble most state's schools are in, who is going to pay for it. The testing process and the lab fees are not cheap.

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 12:58 PM) Both sides are assholes.. but I lean more towards the players being at fault for the sissy drug policy. I agree

I agree with your comments about Pellman. However, I think he just said somthing that gives us a clue as to what Selig will say. He said he would recommend to MLB that the Minor league policy is the best because it was implemented without negotiations. Selig is going to blame the union for not allowing MLB to institute the policy they wanted.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 12:43 PM) MLB is not the only one to blame. Kids in all sports are doping to get an edge. That goes for high school, college, minors, & majors. If there is anything substantial to come out of these hearings it's that those making $ from sports telecasts should be responsible for educating the public & using personalities to make doping the worst thing imaginable for a kid. To me that is more important than developing testing standards that simply make it more difficult for athletes to cheat. I would like them to ask Jose Canseco, Jason Giambi, Brian Bosworth, Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, & Mark McGuire whether they think any player could consistently look into the eyes of high school kids & tell them doping is horrible & then turn around & continue to dope themselves. I believe the answer would unanimously be no. Exactly, I guess that is what I've been tryingto say. Could you edit my next manuscript?

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 12:37 PM) BALCO took a while to be discovered.. Thats what I mean. Illegal producers won't be discovered unless someone turns them in, as the track coach did in the BALCO case. So it does very little good to look for all of the manufacturers becuase where there is a demand there is a market. We need to focus on the demand (players) and stop it there.

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 12:35 PM) I'm glad for you. I've seen 3 lives destroyed by roids. One a pro player. It was not pretty. I agree with you. I have seen too many lives ruined. When I was doing some work with a professional football team north of here, they drafted an offensive tackle from a university in Michigan who was obviously on steriods. He was a great guy but got caught and lost 35 pounds of muscle during training camp. He was never really an effective player and came down with many medical problems and still isn't right and never will be.

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 12:33 PM) I believe he was referring to the medical ones. If thats the case, those are such a small percentage of what's out there and it wouldn't be much of a problem.

Ok now the goofball from Penn. wnats to know where the illegal steriods are produced. Where are all of the meth labs? If we knew this, we could stop the problem. Where great sums of money are involved people will find a way to make them. I wish these politcians would think before they talk.

QUOTE(Steff @ Mar 17, 2005 -> 12:17 PM) GMAFB... they already know roids are bad and wrong. No need to say don't do them... slap the s*** out of the players doing them.. make them an example.. and scare the s*** out of the kids that want to be ball players by letting them know that if they do them they will NOT make it into professional sports. I don't think this is necessarily true. They routinely do surveys in the NFL and ask the players "if you know steriods will take 10 years off your life will you still do them. " Most years over 50% said they will still do them because where else can I make millions of dollars for myself and my family. I think they need to get the example and education out to the kids also.

The moron from Indiana just asked the researcher if "the research on animals showed an improvement in hand-eye coordination" becuase this would benefit baseball players more. How would you test this? Last time I checked animals do not have hands.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Mar 16, 2005 -> 02:37 PM) Anyone want to go out on a limb and say Diaz is wearing a different uniform by the end of the week, if not the end of the day? I think a young pitcher with a good arm has trade value with someone. Look at someone like Joe Nathan. Good not great minor league numbers, couldn't cut it as a starter in the majors but has success as a reliever. I'm not saying Diaz is Nathan but good arms are hard to find and are in demand.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 16, 2005 -> 02:22 PM) http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=250316107 Anybody got a better link? Diaz vs Gobble 0-0 bot 1st Isn't this the first start for Diaz? Are they showcasing him for trade value?

I believe Diaz wil be involved in a trade first. He still has a good arm with potential, someone will bite on him.

Scores for us at work?

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 15, 2005 -> 02:32 PM) The difference being the cutter moves in on a righty and the slider moves away from a righty/into a lefty. It gives him more chances to get in on righties or lefties. The typical cutter is similar to a slider where a RHP throws it and it moves away from the RH hitter. It's basically a fastball with pressure on the middle finger. Some can throw it with pressure on the index finger and make it move like a screwball. But like a screwball very few can do it that way.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Mar 14, 2005 -> 09:09 PM) Last year they were selling them outside of the park but who knows if they'll do that this year. My advice use your money to buy sox clothing not to heckle the other team. I normally don't. That's why I don't currently have one. However, since it isn't a Sox Game and I'm out of town, why not.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Mar 14, 2005 -> 09:18 PM) Heckling Sosa in Baltimaore may be hazardous to your health. But entertaining

I just found out I will be going to Baltimore in mid-April. I got RF tickets to an Orioles-Yankees game. I need to get a Corky shirt to heckle Sosa. Anyone have any ideas where I can get one? Thanks

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 14, 2005 -> 05:55 PM) Vazquez is predicated on the belief that AZ is not going to be in contention in the West & that the trade that was talked so much about with Koney as the centerpiece will resurface in Jun. Remember though, Vazquez siad if it wasn't the Yankees, he did not want to go to the AL. If this is still true, I don't want someone who doesn't want to be here.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 12, 2005 -> 03:23 PM) Frank was a TE in college at Auburn who blocked for Bo Jackson as a freshmen. How many skinny tight ends do you know? I don't know. But if there is one the Bears will draft him in the first round.