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QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 03:21 PM) Wikipedia on him... Well, I laid the possibilty of being incorrect out there. I was too lazy to look for it though.

If you can't get socialized medicine one way, you legislate business to do it for you. BTW, I've heard Kentucky is talking about following in Maryland's footsteps on this one.

I guess the statute of limitations on youthful indiscretion is 50 years. More than 25, at least.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 03:11 PM) I'm pretty sure he's in jail. Actually, I think he's on the DC city council. I believe I saw something mentioned about that during the stadium negotiations with MLB. I'll say here though, that I could totally wrong about this.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 03:10 PM) So...the question that raises is this: does that mean Crede's back is as bad as some people have feared? Even if his back goes out in 06...if he can still play in 07, his salary will be roughly what it is this year because of the arbitration system, so the only way that avoiding a long-term deal with Crede makes sense is if there's a chance his back will go out to the point that he won't be able to recover even with surgery. I doubt it. But, it's a risk the Sox didn't have to take.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 03:05 PM) Well, I would have said that the Sox probably did have an incentive to sign him for something like 2-3 years. Since he's still arbitration eligible...if we want to keep him after next year, we'll either have to sign him again or offer him Arb. again. From what I understand, it's very unusual to see a person's salary decline in arbitration from year to year, even if the player is hurt or has his numbers go down (how far can Crede's actually go down?). However, if Joe somehow turns last September into a season, all of a sudden he'll be in a place to ask for another million or two in arbitration next fall, and the Sox will probably have to pay it. If we signed him to a 2-3 year deal now, it could have kept his price at that $2.3 million for each of the next 2-3 years, maybe saving the team a mil or so. Good point. Now, for the counterpoint. If his back goes out, they aren't locked into a long term deal.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 03:00 PM) Well, with Cameron in NY and in the NL the last few years, and now in SD, and Hunter playing in Minny, Hunter faces the Sox 19 times per year, and we might see Cameron for a 3 game set every few years if he stays in one place. Plus, Hunter has probably leveled more White Sox Catchers than Cameron. Anywho...I can't complain about Cameron...I believe his trade brought us Konerko. If you think about it, when the Sox traded Cameron away, he could have been the Corey Patterson of his day had they not done so. I'm sure the Orioles are hoping the change of scenery helps Patterson shed the shakles of his Cubness and somewhat approach what Cameron has achieved.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 09:31 AM) I can't figure out why this forum is under Hotstove. I don't see any connection. Wouldn't this be better on it's own? Just a thought. I reall don't think people will look for it there. That's a damn good point.

This Texiera deal sets the groundwork for Crede in '07 and '08. There won't be a direct correlation, but it will have an effect.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 01:42 PM) I'll still maintain Podsednik gets horrible reads out in LF. If you've ever watched him closely in person--and I gather many of you have--you can attest to his poor reads. I'm sure it helps that he is one of the faster players in baseball, but, I don't really know if we can call it "make-up" speed. He seemed average last year. I'm hoping he'll improve, but, if we get the 2005 version of Podsednik in LF again, we should still be in good shape. He's more than adequate. I believe it would only be fair to let Pods open '06 in LF without any carry-over notions about his defensive reads. Pods had been a career CF and anyone who's play around the OF could tell you that the reads off the bat are infinitely different. Let's give the benefit of the doubt that he spent '05 learning how to read the ball off the bat in LF.

Yes, this is good news. Not really unexpected. Boras was not going let Crede sign for anything beyond 2008 so Joe could Fee agent eligble asap. The Sox had no incentive to sign for more than one year unless it was stretched to '09 or '10.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 08:00 AM) Can gracefully accept an apology. A guy I'd really like to meet.

QUOTE(SoCalSouthSider59 @ Jan 16, 2006 -> 07:32 PM) My first LP's were bought as a group of 4 in 1972........ Deep Purple-Machine Head Alice Cooper-School's Out (How many of you OG's remember the first issue of the album that had the blue paper panties slipped around the record inside the album cover that opened into a school desk?) Led Zeppelin- Vol. IV (ZOSO) Black Sabbath- Vol. IV The rest is history, i still have over 300 pieces of hard rock vinyl from the last 33 years. Yes, even Frampton Comes Alive.......... I had each and every one of those albums. And yes, I remember the panties now that you mention it.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 06:40 AM) A master debater. Can gracefully accept an apology.

He'll either sell the technology to the oil companies .... or have an accident.

QUOTE(Mplssoxfan @ Jan 16, 2006 -> 02:53 PM) 'Fess up, all you forty-somethings. You all had Frampton Comes Alive, admit it. My first album purchase was the soundtrack to Tommy. Why, you ask, when you could have had the actual album by The Who? I was a stupid 10 year old, that's why. I like to think my taste in music has gotten better, but it's probably only gotten different. I never owned Frampton Comes Alive. There was no need as every one I knew had a copy.

I don't think I've had this next thought run through my head before, but .... Al Gore is right.

Maybe the term 'racist' is a bit too harsh. Maybe 'racially insensitive' is more appropriate. I'll yeild on that point.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Jan 16, 2006 -> 02:51 PM) Ive always been of the opinion that you're always going to be miserable if you cant laugh at yourself sometimes. Do we put this line of joking into every thread that comes around? No. Do we make call people such blatantly racist epithets such as k***, s***, n***** or cracker? No. People need to lighten the hell up. NUKE, you should be aware by now that I not only respect your service to country, but I respect you as well. Yet, I can't understand why you don't see how offensive this can be. I mean, would you walk up to Ozzie Guillen and talk to him this way? If not, why not? If it's not offensive or demeaning then it wouldn't be a big deal. But, if in your mind there might be the slightest chance that Ozzie would take offense, then I have proven my point.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jan 16, 2006 -> 02:13 PM) No deer YAS..?? Now that you mention it, yes.

People eat alligator, which lives basically in swamps. People eat snake. Look at a lobster some time, or a crab. Ugly things. Suck the slime out of an oyster. Crawfish. Not everything that people eat come prettily packaged in grocery store. Personally, I've sampled rabbit, squirrel, quail, pheasant, duck, buffalo and black bear. Some things were not to my taste, others were fantastic. I don't know what raccon would taste like, but I wouldn't be afraid to try it.

If have to say that when I first the topic title "Tell me about your first" that this thread was going to be totally diffent from what it is.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jan 16, 2006 -> 01:52 PM) Point taken, but what does that have to do with Bill Clinton? I'm not making fun of some guy from Indian for worshiping a cow, I'm finding it gross that a guy from Arkansas ate raccoon. That's freaking gross, no matter how "ignorant" I am for saying it. And people in India find it gross that you eat beef. Muslims find it gross to even touch a pig, even a damn football. The 'ignorance' is in the comments degrading people because they have a different culture. People that are slightly different from you because they live in the south. You know ... hicks, people from Arkansas, that kind of thing. In fact, I bet most of those people in Arkansas even know that state names should be capitalized.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 16, 2006 -> 01:12 PM) I agree with YASNY, in that these imitations make the poster look pretty damn ignorant. That's my reaction. But where is the line? Is it OK to make fun of Arnold's accent? How about the Saturday night live skit called "Super Fans" and their Chicago accents? This is not a black and white thing; there is a spectrum. I don't think that the imitations are enough to be banning anybody. If people want to say stupid things about some category of people, fine. Frankly, it just makes it easier for the rest of us to spot the troglodytes. That's all well and good, but I don't want Soxtalk to seem like it's filled with troglodytes.

QUOTE(TornLabrum @ Jan 16, 2006 -> 12:30 PM) I've been sitting on this waiting to hear from Nancy, but since the news is out, I'll tell you what I know. I talked to her in December, and she said that she was requesting days only for a couple of reasons: 1) the drive home late at night was starting to become a real bother to her; 2) she feels that the people who come to the park are more "her crowd." The last time I talked to her, she had sent in a counter-offer to the Sox that she felt they would accept. Apparently they did. Great! This is one area where "it's a business" shouldn't figure into the equation. Nancy should be able to go out on her own terms. Next time you see her, give her a hug from an appreciative Sox fan.