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QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 08:27 AM) I totally agree. Some of the younger fans don't even know the tradition or the song. Do you think they've toned it down because nowadays sports in general has more of a 'no taunting' attitude. With all the thugs playing pro sports and all the fans wanting to jump into the arenas, maybe that's why. They try to "can" the whole experience. Scoreboard led cheers, applause-o-meters, they try to choreograph the whole thing. There's still something to said for for Nancy on the organ and the fans just picking up on something and running with it.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 08:14 AM) he's your brother?! that explains how you became a moderator It's good to have connections.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 07:24 AM) Does anyone in Oklahoma City care about Cardinals - Cubs? Twins - Sox? I will say this in ESPNs defense, Red Sox - Yankees draw the viewers. They have the biggest payrolls and the biggest rivalry. They have rosters filled with All-Stars and household names. For the casual fan they are trying to attract to the telecast, it's an easy call. I don't like it, but it's the fact. Look at history. Where have the World Series winners been from? Let's go back 15 years for the Central Division of the AL and NL. 1990 Reds won 1991 Minny won 1995 Cleveland got nuked 1997 Cleveland got nuked 2004 Cards got swept East Coast teams: 17 Appearances - 11 Wins West Coast: 8 Appearances - 2 Wins Central Teams: 5 Appearances - 2 Wins Now can you see why any nationaly televised show would spend more time on East Coast teams? Plus this season, it's about the only races out there. Cards and Sox have just about wrapped up their division. The Angles shouldn't have a problem. It's basically the East Coast teams battling. Shut up! You're using logic. We want to be free to b**** without having to deal with that!

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 07:45 AM) The DOWNSIDE of being 12 games up??? Are you kidding me??? THIS IS THE BEST TEAM THE SOUTHSIDE HAS EVER SEEN AT THIS STAGE OF A SEASON. THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE!!!! Quit waiting for the skies to fall and enjoy it!!! What is wrong with people? The Chicago White Sox have been in exsistance for 105 years and have NEVER been better, and people are perpetually stress about what is WRONG with this team. You are missing the boat on this one. :headshake Preach on, Brother!

QUOTE(retro1983hat @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 07:46 AM) We have won NOTHING yet. Once we get through this stretch with the Red Sox, Yankees, Twins, and Angels should we start acting cocky. I hear a lot of Sox fans say their not scared of the Yanks or Red Sox in the playoffs. Those teams have boatloads of playoff experience and we have none. Also, those teams can drop 10 runs on us in an inning in a heartbeat. We can't. Until we win the division, we are the three-time second-place Central champs. Until we win the pennant, we have to go back to 1959. Until we win it all, we have to go back to 1917. I don't want to be a pessimist, but a season of 100+ victories can be destroyed by three bad games in October. Remember 2000. We couldn't hit a beachball against Seattle. I absolutely love this team, but nothing is over until it's over. I mentioned beating the Yanks and the BoSox in the playoffs. What I didn't do was disrespect those teams and their accomplishments. What I was doing was saying that beating those teams would give us our yearned for respect. Although, I didn't put it quite so delicately.

QUOTE(forrestg @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 12:24 AM) Look we want a Left hand power hitter. We have KOnerko How about scouting THome. (Thome is a second half player) WE want Wagner.. YOu give our prize for Wagner ( McCarthy) Other is they have an underperforming LIeber we have an under performing Conteras who looks good then looks bad. We have a young second baseman named Harris and they have an older 2b/3b named Ramon Martinez. There is a lot of ifs on both sides WE are giving a power proven 1b and they are given us a great reliever. I don't know about the equalities money changing hands or all the specifics but I do know if THome who is a decent american league hitter could come back to form the rest of this season he would be worth his paycheck and more..... I'm not certain on Thome current health situation, but IF he's healthy I would certainly consider trading Konerko in a deal in which we get Wagner and Thome.

The rotation is having career years? Bull. Buehrle and Garcia have both shown in the past that they are capable of performing just as well as they are now. Garland has reached the level that has been expected for the past couple of years. Whether or not it's a career year remains to be seen, but I'd look for a few more of these from Jon before he's done. Then to say Contreras and Hernandez are having career years ... well ... there's just no reasonable response to that.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 20, 2005 -> 02:27 AM) It all depends on what J.P Riccardi wants to do. I don't think they'll trade him, because their budget is going to increase a whole lot over the next 3 seasons. However if they lose a lot in the next week or 2, there's a slight chance he could be had. He has great numbers, especially away from the Sky - Dome, and just seems like an ideal guy to add. Who cares what the other GM wants to do. KW should get this guy.

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 10:01 PM) Shingo's value is increases when he has success. A playing being successful means that they are playing well. I think that it is Ozzie's job to get his players to play the best they possibly can. And it is Ozzie's job to put players in the best situations so that they can succeed. If Ozzie hurt his value, it means that he did poorly, which hurts the White Sox. But I also think Ozzie seriously mishandles his bullpen at times, so Shingo is just part of a much bigger equation. SB Ozzie seriously mishandles the bullpen. Let's examine that statement. To start the season we had this setup. Closer - Takatsu setup - Marte and Hermanson Cotts, Pollitte and Vizcaino to fill in the rest Now lets look at what has transpired. Closer: Takatsu was getting his ass handed to him and was very ineffective. Even though, he was in a role that he had succeeded in last year and Ozzie game him the first opp to nail down the closer's role this year. So, Ozzie allowed someone else to earn the spot. Turns out to be Hermanson. 22 of 23. Not too bad. Setup. Hermanson evacuated from role. Marte wasn't all that effective. So, what we have is that our top three bullpen slots are not going as planned. That spells potential disaster. What happens? He throws Cotts, Pollite and Vizcaino into the mix to let the cream rise to the top. Used guys in the best situations for them to succeed and removed them after suucceed, therfore building their confidence. Cotts and Pollitte step up and kick ass. Shingo and Vizcaino slowly sink to the bottom of the pen. Marte, it turns out was injured, so they DL him, give Walker a shot. He sucks and they boot him. Vizcaino begins to come around. Shingo shows signs of it, but too often falters. He sinks to a mop up role as 36 yr old FA to be. Not much future in that. In the mean time, we have this kid in AA throwing serious heat with a biting breaking ball that is performing in a closers role. There MAY be a future in that. No brainer. Dump the old, soon to depart, ineffective guy and give the kid a shot. He took a bullpen that had to be revamped as to what roles each pitcher held. He shuffled them around and eventually turned it from a potentially disasterous bullpen to one of the best in game. Conclusion: Ozzie mismanages the bullpen.

The downside to being 12 games up is that we were 13 games up.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 11:48 PM) Not if his rotator cuff gives up though. I'd prefer Miguel Batista myself although I know a lot of people are probably going to disagree with me on that. Of course Guardado has something like a $7 million option for next season as well, and KW and Ozzie will have to decide whether or not he's a set-up guy or closer. From today's Trib, DBAH0:

Baldwin had some pretty decent numbers during his short time with the O's.

Eh .... No thanks.

Carl Everett has not been the type of LH hitter we need. He's been much better as a righty this year. .244 .301 .460 .761 There's his AVR, OBP, SLG and OPS vs RH pitchers.

Age before beauty.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 03:05 PM) Ummm... OK. I'd rather have Buerhle in that situation, but given the choice between Garland and Hernandez ... Jon gets the baseball.

QUOTE(Wong & Owens @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 03:03 PM) Because Garland wasn't known as a mental case before this season? This means something: ERA W-L IP hits ER BB K 2.65 9-3 0 0 0 102.0 76 30 51 101 They'll both start, so I hope we're both right I just believe, that after these four long years, Jon has figured it out and has become the pitcher we all hoped he'd become. In a "win or go home" game, I'd give the ball to Garland over Hernandez.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 03:00 PM) "What have you done for me lately..." The Chicago White Sox Motto.. Hell Steff, Garland's been a stud this year and hernandez has been ... ummm .. something less. El Duque has proven himself as big game pitcher, without a doubt, but I'd still prefer Jon in a must win situation.

QUOTE(Wong & Owens @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 02:57 PM) Ah, what fine long-term memories you people possess. HAs he earned the right to start? Absolutely. Will he start? Definitely. If I had to bet my money on either a playoff game that Garland starts vs. one that El Duque starts do I bet on Garland's game? Nope, not a chance. By God, I'd bet on Garland over Hernandez. Does the expression "That was then, this is now" mean anything to you?

Oh hell ... one more Windy ... The Association

Last one for now ... Against The Wind ... Bob Seger

QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 02:46 PM) Way to spam YAS.. Every one of them of the top of my head ... I'd think of one, I'd add it.

Tropical Depression ... Alan Jackson Now that one is appropriate!

Summer Breeze ... Seals and Crofts

"Cool" Papa Bell