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QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 10, 2008 -> 11:42 PM) Why can't Bobby be part of that "re-tooling"? Why do you get rid of what a majority of teams are in desperate need of? The position is based out of a belief that the real Jenks is that higher ERA we saw the last two years, and that this year he has been the beneficiary of luck more than lights out stuff. And the fact he does give up hits pretty regularly (and does not K people) back some of that up. Again, he's still very good, but he probably has higher value than anyone else we'd consider trading, and the monetary cost to keep him will keep rising. So now's peak time, if we want to consider it. The team needs OBP next year to be a title contender. A trade may be the way to get it unless maybe Hudson as FA. If they dont get OBP they'll be like this year but a little older and worse. I assume a trade wont happen however. Also regarding the bullpen - Jenks out Poreda in. Setups: Liney, Dotel, Closer: Thornton...Poreda as heir apparent. I would do all this to hem up the top of the batting order which is a gaping hole. I dont want to run Jenks out, again, but I value top of the order hitting more, and the FA market doesnt seem like it provides enough. And the window is closing with our older run producers.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 10, 2008 -> 09:02 PM) Yeah, Thorndog has never given up a hit/run in a big situation or a big HR late in the game. So your option is to trade on of the better closers in the game and move thorton there....and then what? Bring up the Booner to get out tough lefties? Maybe we can get Cotts and Ardsama back too. Well Thornton has never been a guy who is way worse against righties though. The SLG is a bit high against righties, i will say that. OBP near the same for R and L batters Also righties SLG is higher against Jenks than Thornton, for whatever its worth. Everyone keeps arguing this about how good Bobby is. I dont disagree w/ that. But no one is addressing my point that he would have so much trade value that he'd allow us to retool. Instead we'll just get older, when we should be building more around youngsters CQ,ARam,Gavin,Danks. To win now and later. Who else do we move, unless it's all to be solved with FA spending?

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Sep 10, 2008 -> 09:50 PM) Exactly! Then Dotel can close games out for us!!1 It's time to acknowledge Thornton as the best guy in this pen, and I wouldnt putting him at the top of a short list of in house potential closer candidates. This isnt knee jerk b/c i have past posts suggesting a Jenks move. You get good value for this guy while he comes off a year like this w/ great ERA but poor K stats. And if we dont get value thru this, I dont know how else we'd do it thru trade. I suppose Dye would be a possibility but i think he's too much to give up for what we'd get back.

Move Jenks and Thome to a contender to start retooling this thing w/ someone young and contributing. Those are two guys who are not bad players now but will drop off a table and become so in no time.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 10, 2008 -> 09:41 PM) This is unbelievable. jenks pitching like he's already in that coffin in yr av

If Hawk entered a room alone with "Doc" and Gomez, I wonder if he would leave it still married.

Jerry Owens can actually bunt, more reason to forge a role for him. Suicide Squeeze 5-0

AJ had to hold up at third on a ball that couldve been caught

All depends what you want from this year. Some people will take a shouldnt-be-in-it-year and adapt very quickly and want the WS. It's your right. I still think we'll all look back on this year as a positive, either way... because we went from being old and decrepit to having two budding young hitters come about, and two promising young pitchers come about. Now we just need to make the right moves w/ an old guy or two to get in good position for next year.... oops i typed one sentence too many. I'm not giving up but i'm more of the along for the ride crew at this point, b/c i felt i've always been that

Owens' september last year may not be better than BA's best pro month offensively, but it was definitely the sort of thing that would be immediately helpful for us at this moment. Just barely even station-to-station at this point. Owens' best September or Anderson's best September would be different kinds of good, the former being the kind we more desperately need. If Paulie's out for awhile, the point is you'd want an extreme move to see if you could put a charge into things. Give our RBI guys someone to knock in. If Owens can get on 35% of the time and steal bases, for a few weeks here...you have to acknowledge that as helpful to our cause right now.

I really wish Hawk wouldnt do what he's doing right now. nnngh.

In football they always say strain the day of and then reveal tear a day later after mri.

QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Sep 9, 2008 -> 09:14 PM) "Mild Strain of ACL" "X-rays Negative" -- That may be the only good news on this very s***ty day. MRI tomorrow however. What do we take from the fact they're calling this 'mild' ? My rule of thumb is always - cant walk off = very bad.

This is real vague, and I'm sure option 1 will win But I'm just curious how many people here would like to respond to an extreme situation with an extreme reaction... namely getting Owens in and potentially getting AJ lower in order, OC to 2nd.

Yea, i echo the above posts. There are bigger problems right now than Clayton's starts.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Sep 9, 2008 -> 08:45 PM) His Arb clock isn't an issue, anyone who says otherwise is either full of s*** or knows nothing about the process. I dont purport to know a lot on the topic, but isnt it basically true that a player's arb clock starts the moment they're put on their first in season major league roster?

It's such a deflating feeling to have injury take down a team you live and die by. In 2000 we felt it with pitching injuries affecting our chances... but even then it was more satisfying to go down swinging w/ your stars still going strong. Here our main guys are dropping like flies. It's part of my big problem with the NFL - which would otherwise be my #1 sport if not for the annoying fact that injuries rule the day.

QUOTE (Jeremy @ Sep 9, 2008 -> 08:43 PM) If Paully's out long term - and I agree it looks awfully bad - we really ought to try Griffey at 1B, Swish in LF, and some combination of Anderson/Owens/Wise in CF. I'd also be down with playing Fields at 1B every day for a week or two to see if he can nail down the job. Ozzie for all his eccentricities tends to be conservative lineup wise... so we'll likely see no experimenting w/ positions, and no Fields. Although I agree that investigating some different uses for Fields this year, considering his age, might have been helpful. As a righty option for DHing early in the year, even.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Sep 9, 2008 -> 08:39 PM) and frankly i think we need to go to a 4 man rotation the rest of the way....i see no way we can start broadway/poreda on saturday has Poreda been mentioned in any context for being up here soon? that would start his arb clock

Jerry Owens everyday starter and leadoff man would be quite the Sarah Palin type move. Then AJ can take Konerko's spot as a run producer, and OC can be what he shouldve been from the start, a 2 hitter EDIT: and i realize all of that is pretty stupid this late in the year, but the other way of looking at it is we are nowhere near a WS lineup w/o Quentin and Paulie, whereas a quick reinvention of the team w/ small ball focus might be the only way to make some strides forward at this point. Owens would have to repeat his September from last year.

QUOTE (knightni @ Sep 9, 2008 -> 07:34 PM) Anderson LF platoon with Wise probably. I thought Wise in LF was bad tonight, but if he puts Anderson in LF with Griff in CF... then it is pretty much assured that they promised CF to Griffey to get him to waive the no trade.

possibly RIP 2008 white sox earlier in the game thread i had hoped for more Wise at bats, now i'm feeling pretty silly b/c it's gonna happen but it's not good.

Wise somehow needs to get more ABs in this stretch run. In categories of speed, defense, and just plain getting a bat on a ball -- he has Swisher beat. Obviously not in power, but i feel we have enough in that dept.

i too am really interested in knowing what soft cast means for his rehab time. if anyone knows

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,7845987.story Not that this would shock anyone, but Guillen is stating that he will go forward refusing to think about a possible return for CQ. At the very least, I like hearing that he hasnt completely shut the door on that possibility. He seems like the kind of guy that publicly would if doctors (thru the Sox) had told him it's a 100% shut-the-door situation. So I at least read between the lines here that slim has not left town.