Princess Dye

I get what you're saying, but I think most people put Dunn's 2011 on Dunn. He's a proven hitter and the contract and expectations KW had were standard. Lets put it this way. It's a failed move by a gm because it didn't work out.... but it's not an abysmal, career-defining move by the gm simply BECAUSE Dunn had an abysmal year. Abysmal career defining GM moves have to have more meat to it than this, have to show an error in judgment as they're happening (Soriano etc). Dunn's age wasn't an issue, and the contract was not bad value.

Hudson for Jackson was apparently messed up by Rizzo, but KW was a professional and went through with an agreed to component deal. That said, I understand that this does not mean we can take it off his record. It stands, and yes it's bad. Also I know you're discussing the first Swisher deal, but I also will mention that Ozzie demanded Swisher be taken off the team and KW granted that request immediately. Ozzie also responsible for giving Juan Pierre a billion atbats over these last few years.

QUOTE (daggins @ Jan 22, 2012 -> 10:09 PM) How long do you think KW can milk that particular cow? It is not an unfair assessment to say he has spent the last 5 years or so running the Sox into the ground. Very true, but that's why I only bring that out to respond to the specific post PolishPrince made. That he "drove the organization into the ground." What's happened the last few years is weak GMing, not total destruction. The huge miss that could've been avoided with closer inspection was Peavy, Rios was the bad but decent gamble (though it paid off decently in Rios' 2010 campaign), and Dunn was the sure-fire total shocker. Also through the recent years KW has had good moves Danks/Floyd/Alexei/Sale/Dayan/CQ that he fails to get enough credit for, it's just that the two worst ones have been bad enough to obscure several nice smaller moves

Oh, you

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 23, 2012 -> 10:52 AM) Right. Because I am sure you publicly go out and slam your company to the general public. Yeah, to anyone who will listen at least. But like I said, Hawk is entertainment and I do appreciate him. I don't worry about him being homeristic, it's just a part of the show that I enjoy. Just lets not try to paint him as current, completely informed or fully aware, which may or may not been the intention of some earlier in the thread. He knows what he knows, but he is history based. Which is fine for what he does.

J4L, Hawk promises optimism every preseason, and then the next year he explains how awful everything went, and how last offseason he was telling his wife in the car that last year was about to be bad. Read better or remember better, maybe both. He does this every year. Someone homeristic can criticize, as Hawk does above. But if he'd ever criticize before the year happens, before a mgr gets fired.... i mean by saving it all for later, it just comes off as more gutless or company-line-ish. Whatever we want to label it, we can all agree it's not going out on a limb or taking a chance. A dig at Albert Belle! 14 years too late! It's entertaining for me but it's not groundbreaking stuff (generally) when it comes from good ole' HH

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 23, 2012 -> 09:47 AM) The sample size of positive performance in September is equally valid for future prediction as the sample size of terrible performance was in the rest of the year, acceptable? I certainly wouldn't expect Brent Morel to be a .220 hitter who puts up a .900 OPS for his career, just like I wouldn't expect him to put up a .625 OPS for the rest of his career either based on April-July. I still think he winds up somewhere between .750-.800 with really good defense, maybe a little lower or higher if he gets a really bad or good hitting coach, and nothing I saw last year suggested why he couldn't be that guy. OK, well it looks like we're in agreement. Something happened for a month that "people were looking for" And the future is wide open, nothing last year suggested he can't be or not be a certain kind of guy. Agreed then.

QUOTE (daggins @ Jan 23, 2012 -> 09:37 AM) Also it sounds like you have a touch of Stockholm Syndrome w/r/t Hawk Harrelson. i've expressed love for my captor since the early 90s

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 23, 2012 -> 09:14 AM) Except for the obvious fact of a developing kid hitting the ball hard, which is what people who paid attention to Morel expected to see eventually, sure. Indicative of nothing. OK I will agree with you that a developing kid hit the ball hard during a month. I'd love to hear how far you want to go with how promising that sample size is. The totality of Morel's past numbers don't doom him at all, not saying that. but the numbers within one great month don't do anything yet. Unless we want our minds to take us there.

It charges me up to hear Hawk speak. What can I say. When he talks about Dunn being literally and figuratively large. Making total nonsense statements followed by harsh criticisms of what has been going on here. He's such a mixed bag and while I wouldn't do his job the way he does it, I can't help but appreciate him on some level. edit:nonsense #1 Morel's september being indicative of...anything

QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Jan 22, 2012 -> 09:31 PM) Another Williams bringing down an organization/White Sox/49ers. Yeah I mean I really hated when he helped end that 88 year drought, that was awful

So jordan4life you're cool with Paterno, huh? Heh.

Oney would've hated us drafting this guy. For a variety of reasons. Starting with his athleticism!

KW should go into the SF locker room and take a bat to a table

QUOTE (daggins @ Jan 22, 2012 -> 10:20 AM) Last night I was having wine and some went down the wrong pipe and I ended up spraying wine all over our new IKEA table. To bring this up..well, it's nothing-without-pics

I would always read a post written by a daggins edit: oh man i get it, your first name is dildo. love it

Y'all cmon now I just want to get on that there mound and peeutch.

Cowley's entertaining. Even if I don't agree with what he does, it's still funny. There's no need to run from that.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 16, 2012 -> 06:16 PM) He's not an everyday talent. Sure, Beckham could implode again and he (Lillibridge) would be the guy by default. That doesn't mean he should play everyday. So based on what you're saying, Beckham is unquestionably the everyday talent and Lilli is not? Just to make sure I'm following your logic. To me, it's way more hazy than that. Thanks to GB.

well he's not great, but the whole 500-600 at-bats logic doesn't matter if we're completely devoid of passable talent at 2b at the major league level or nearMLB-ready level. awful to say, but lilli may be the best talent we have for 2b. but that is something you have to determine in spring training and then decide how many wins it's worth to you to stall Beckham's development/value

Open competition for 2b but give Beckham the leg up. We're better off if Gordon can ever turn it around. It's worth chasing that hope and (maybe)dream for the greater reward With Lilli you might be adding a few wins but killing Gordon's value in trades, killing the shrinking chance he'll develop into an all-star

Anybody catch the name of that woman John Oliver interviewed tonight? Who the hell was that

right the ship

I am a pretty huge basketball fan -- but this has spiraled out of control

I too am curious about comparing Cespedes to stats of other guys who have played both here and in Cuba. Age aside, I just want to learn about what the level of competition is considered there, and if all these guys are playing in basically the same league or if there are several.