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Scathing.

Or, they might really like Maldonado and feel terrible for him. Again, no reason to make things up.

Nothing says toxic dysfunction like... Gavin Sheets and Andrew Vaughn? Again, plenty of reasons to hate the Sox without making things up.

"Outright disagreeing?" The horror! LOL

Something like 18 players in the current roster weren't on last year's team.

The Sox have like 5 Latino players on the entire roster and one was brought in specifically to deal with clubhouse issues in the past. How cliquey could they be? Korey Lee just said he disagreed with Grifol. It was neither scathing nor scandalous. There's so many reasons to be angry at the White Sox that there's no reason to start making things up.

Of course teams will give him opportunities. I never said they wouldn't. I said "I doubt he ever had a ton of value in 24."

A poll that was just a list of bad teams and the Yankees. Like the other poster said, there's a difference between bad and toxic. Maybe you don't want to introduce a prospect to a losing environment, but there's no evidence that the Sox have clubhouse problems.

He's a 14th round pick in his rookie season and he's been pretty solid. PItching is hard. He'll be fine.

Considering he's in his 10th year of professional baseball and still hasn't figured it out, I doubt he ever had a lot of value in 24. Front office's aren't that dumb.

Probably because everybody tends to be very reactionary and only look at things on a surface level. Ky Bush has a rough year in the year he's traded, and he's a bum, despite being a relatively quick riser with a very ideal makeup 6'6/LH/killer mustache. Leasure's had a nice year and has a terrible inning tonight, and he's a bum. Leasure's fb has always been a better pitch than Kopech's, but people don't notice because he sits mid 90's rather than high 90's.

You mean we didn't get a ton of value for Lance Lynn and Joe Kelly? Shocking. Leasure's going to be a good pitcher.

Kopech's chase% has always been really low. He just doesn't fool anybody.

He's never been able to throw it for a strike. He has about as much finesse as the Kool Aid Man. He's always been way more into partying than becoming a great pitcher.

LOL. No it's not. It's a Michael Kopech failure. The kid has been a complete mess his whole career. I knew that the second I saw him deadlifting 450 like a complete idiot. He's always been a moron. You're a baseball player, Michael.

He did that in 2021.

Kopech is up to 80% 4 seamers on the year. For comparison's sake, Stanek is at 60%.

Do you even Corey Feldman, man?

Klopeks is a far better nickname than Blopech. Just sayin.

Based on that list, it's almost like it coincides with winning.

He would go on to have 596 saves after his shoulder injury.

Hell, Tom Glavine had 305 wins and 80 WAR with a predominantly 2 pitch mix.

Lol. Good luck with that. The reason change ups is work is they look like fast balls.

Jesus

The only absolutes here are that Robert is incredibly talented, we have to trade him and there's no way to time it correctly because he can't stay healthy. His health dictates that we have to take the best package possible and hope for the best. It's just not a situation where you can make any definitive judgements about the quality of the trade when it happens.