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QUOTE (ron883 @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 10:39 PM) I think this dude is prime time. At every level he has posted a good OBP, good walk rate, strikeout rate, and above average slugging% for his position. The guy can be an allstar in my mind. I can see him putting up a great OBP in the future. Everything about the guy is good. I'm disappointed they brought up Sanchez instead of him. This probably didn't need its own thread but I will take the bait: I don't think anyone is "sleeping on him". I think most on this board would have preferred him to Sanchez at the moment. He is probably being held back at least partially by Super 2 concerns. Someone with expert knowledge of the CBA and his service time could probably clarify that point.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 10:34 PM) Gordon started out way better than BA ever did. Like was mentioned earlier - he has talent. However, we gave him every chance to realize it. Even if he becomes a Hall of Famer, the Sox gave him every opportunity to succeed and are not wrong to cut ties. what talent does beckham have? He has one tool at the MLB level -- arm. That's it. No power, no average, no OBP, not much speed or natural baserunning ablity and not much range in the field either. I guess you could say he has soft hands but that doesn't do him much good on balls he doesn't get to. He was never that high of an upside guy in retrospect -- he was a player that matured early physically and despite all pre draft indications -- he does not have a MLB level mental makeup. He's tinkered his swing into utility infielder levels. People are saying he has talent based on what, (not saying you are) his 1st round pick status? His 200 fluke PA his rookie year? Hawk Harrelson's mancrush?

QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 10:28 PM) I agree. Semien's pitch recognition skills are superb, yet the "athletes" are rated more highly by the organization. Typical Sox. I could be wrong but I think that Semian is very close to super 2 status. This move could have something to do with that, maybe everything to do with it.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 08:23 PM) Semien has a better OBP and better OPS than Sanchez this (and every) year. Yea I'm not really sure what they are doing with Marcus it's not ideal IMO. I don't trust their evaluation of position players. At all.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 07:58 PM) Those people are just sad, I'm sorry, its embarrassing. I know every fan base has those fans but ugh. Go figure they are all clean cut white guys they are pining for...if only the Sox could field a 100 win team on the cut of the jib.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 06:00 PM) You just don't get it, he's a good not great defender at 2B that can't hit. That's not very valuable, especially not for +$5M. No kidding. HE'S AWFUL. Anyone holding onto the "1st round draft pick" has lost touch with reality. The Sox did a very good job to get ANYTHING for him. And, most importantly, they have freed up a 30 game look at Sanchez.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 06:32 PM) Scott Merkin ‏@scottmerkin 4m Micah Johnson, your big league future is coming very soon So he doesn't know they just shut him down for the year with a hamstring? If anything, it's Sanchez's job to lose coming into spring. Looks like they don't see Marcus as an everyday infielder at this point. WTF has Johnson done to justify the hype? He stole a bunch of bases in A ball? From all reports his defense is shaky at best and his batting stats don't shout "certain MLB starter" far from it, they suggest "needs more time in the minors". edit: not saying Micah shouldn't be a rated prospect but the idea that he is somehow locked in to a MLB job in '15 is ludicrous. Look at his struggles in AAA.

YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 01:18 PM) He only signed a 1 year deal with a club option for year 2. The buy out is $250k. He's not coming back. Thanks for that info.

Paulino is just going to get DFA right? Are they really going to keep him around? If he has any sort of shot to get his career jump started it would be with Cooper as a non roster invite next spring IMO.

Just doing a quick rundown of the expected 2014 lineup with no changes Star: Abreu Eaton (assume for argument sake he plays 140 games next year) Garcia (assume he takes next step forward. He looks good. Projection systems and scouts really love him, I think there is a reason why. He can makes the game look easy at times, eg that sliding play tonight and hr) Solid Starter: Conor (needs a platoon partner but mashes 2/3 of the starters in MLB, aka righties) Ramirez (aging, but still solid, obviously is trade bait) Adequate starter: Flowers (hey, the bar at catcher is low, the defensive metrics like him and so do Cooper and Hahn, that's enough for me) De Aza (is going to finish around 1 fWAR although is trending downhill, again, trade bait) Gaping Holes: Beckham (his wRC+ is currently 62. He'd have to be Ozzie Smith to carry that bat, and he ain't even half that. There are other players (Marcus Semian hello) cheaper and probably better on the 40 man) Viciedo (his time in Chicago is numbered, clearly out of favor against RHP when team is healthy the only way he comes back is as a part time platoon DH/OF and even then he's a marginal roster spot at median case) Dunn/DH (should be easy to fill but DH has dogged the Sox for awhile now.) I trust the Sox to find better pitching assuming they spend some money. As for the position players they are going to need some luck and some positive influxes from home grown youth in order to fill out the every day lineup. The good news is that a lot of surplus value stars like Jose, Q, Sale and Eaton are already on the team. They have the stars. Now they need some scrubs, and better ones than Beckham and Carroll and pretty much anyone everyone in the pen.

QUOTE (peavy44 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 11:28 PM) They need pitching. They don't need replacement level pitching at 4th starter cost. I know nothing of the Angels but surely they can do better than John Danks. There are literally dozens of guys available to them that would make more sense just because it doesn't require a 20+ million dollar commitment. If the Sox want to pick up 10 million it's hardly even worth it imo. Just see if he can rebound at all if that's the price to offload him.

QUOTE (peavy44 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 10:24 PM) Garrett richards just got injured for the angels tonight would they be interested in john Danks. no offense to John, who had a tough injury, but that's like totaling your brand new Mercedes sedan and replacing it with a '94 Ford Aerostar. As others have said, John's already passed waivers, I doubt anyone is interested in the guy with the worst peripherals in MLB among qualified starters and an ERA, in a deadball era, over 4.5 as well.

Damn the ball sure does fly out of the Cell. That was a high fly ball that lands at the warning track in April.

QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 07:51 PM) If Edwin were a white guy from the South, Hawk would be licking his nuts. I'd like to see him say the same thing about Gordo, who was a top 10 pick himself and way more of a headcase than Jackson. At least Jackson has had a solid career, Beckham hasn't done s***.

Noesi def deserves to enter next year with a spot in the rotation. He'd be a great 5th starter and an OK 4th starter. Need to find that 3rd.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 07:39 PM) What did he say? He was "not going to name names" but "we had a guy here that had great talent but was over thinking, was 30 seconds between a pitch" and "cooper couldn't get through to him so we traded him". I'm paraphrasing but that is an accurate summary of what he said.

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 07:33 PM) Am I crazy if I'm fine with Rodon and Noesi as 4&5 for '15? You're crazy if you think Danks is the 3 in that scenario. I can easily see Rodon and Noesi as 4,5 however.

Come on Hawk it's obviously Edwin Jackson. Stop bad mouthing guys it's not a good look.

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 07:35 PM) @ChiTribKane: Avisail Garcia showing off that well-practiced slide in the outfield near the right-field line. There are guys that could train their whole career and not make it look that easy. Kid has immense natural ability. Now, if his power tool develops look out.

That is the 3rd f***ing ball to hit the top of the fence this year, that is crazy

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 06:47 PM) Daryl Van Schouwen ‏@CST_soxvan 1h Adam Eaton will go on injury rehab to Charlotte soon and could return to Sox by Tuesday. Nice. We can finally see Aaton and Avi in the OF together again.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 05:14 PM) No Oh great, I see there is another Chen to bedevil the Sox. FML.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 06:52 PM) Which contender isn't hanging up on Hahn as soon as he mentions Konerko? LOL was thinking the same. Yes, his 639 OPS and awful defense at 1B is exactly what we need to put us over the top! Interesting that Dunn and Beckham are both off today although against the lefty Chen it makes some sense for Dunn to sit.

Oh great it's Bruce Chen night.