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QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Aug 25, 2014 -> 09:26 PM) Whether Rodon comes up tomorrow or at the start of next year, a player cannot be a free agent until he has a minimum 6 full years service team. He will be a free agent in 2021 unless they wait until after opening day to bring him up next year. Then it would be 2022, but he would then be Super 2 and have 4 arb years. Thanks. The "6 full years" clears it up. I'm still not convinced it's a great idea to bring him up this September, but if they planning on a big '15 offseason push it makes sense as he'll be in the rotation next April anyways sounds like and that will mean super 2 regardless.

this is what I found: So basically if he gets added to the 40 man this year it gives the Sox 6 more years until FA instead of 7? If so, that is not good.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Aug 25, 2014 -> 06:59 PM) Service time bro. If you think Rodon should break camp with the Sox next spring (and that's clearly a good debate in its own right) then you should be in favor of him tasting the show this year. I can't see it doing anything but be a help to that young man...if he's ready, which it sure is starting to look like. Yes but my question is does it quicken his arrival at to FA? Wouldn't it be an extra "year" on a MLB roster?

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Aug 25, 2014 -> 06:39 PM) If Rodon starts with the big league team next year, a September call up does nothing to his arb clock. Is that because he'd 100% be a super 2 if he came up next April?

QUOTE (hi8is @ Aug 25, 2014 -> 06:37 PM) What you can't get in AAA or the AFL is an experience pitching in The Show. Gets him an opportunity to face some butterflies and come into '15 "experienced". Either way, bet your ass this offseason and next spring he'll be working the change and on control. I enjoy that we are having this debate. So far Rodon is blowing through even the most optimistic expectations. It looks like Chicago might have the top pitching prospect in all of MLB, not just this draft. If the Sox handle him right they could have the most devastating top 3 rotation since the Maddox/Glavine/Smoltz trio led Atlanta to half a dozen division titles. Seriously, Sale, Rodon, Q would be filthy.

hi8is -- I just don't see how a couple starts in September in MLB in any shape or form prepares him better to contribute at the MLB level in '15 then another couple in AAA and then the AFL. He isn't going to be "working on his changeup" when he's got the bases loaded and is tied 3-3 at pitch number 80 in the 5th inning with two outs -- he's gonna be rearing back and throwing 95 or throwing that slide piece. While those might get hitters out short term long term we all know the key will be the changeup and developing command on his fastball -- things he'd improve more quickly on in the non win at all costs environment of the minors. That's just my opinion I certainly respect the job Cooper and the Sox do developing starters.

I don't really get the rush to get him up to MLB. Clearly he is highly advanced and his stuff is MLB ready now but I really don't think it's in Rodon's (and Chicago's) best long term interests to come up, make a couple 5-6 inning starts and start the arb clock a year early when he could have just made a few more starts in AAA and then head to the AFL with a big fat ZERO next to MLB service time entering '15.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Aug 25, 2014 -> 02:44 PM) 0 for 7 with 9 runners left on base and 2 strike outs since joining LA. s***ty hitter continues to be s***, more at 11.

lol robin got clowned

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Aug 24, 2014 -> 02:56 PM) Sox need a good everyday LF in the worst way. Take ADA and DV money and get one in 2015. Marcus Semian?

QUOTE (Friend of Nordhagen @ Aug 24, 2014 -> 02:54 PM) He makes up for the D with his high OBP, impressive slugging average and blazing speed on the bases. He has 1 tool -- arm.

I am sick of Viciedo.

platoon that!

QUOTE (1dog @ Aug 24, 2014 -> 02:40 PM) Lol I think Beckham is terrible and was ecstatic to see him go. I should have added that he is not an MLB player either. Was basically just agreeing with Friend of Nordhagen. Couldn't have said it better myself. Maybe Hawk just loves all 2B? He doesn't fawn over ADA's idiocy. Lol ah, yea, I thought you were talking about Sanchez relative to Gordo, lol

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 24, 2014 -> 02:36 PM) Hahn mentioned they've thought about it. I don't really think it's a good idea I'd rather just get him a platoon partner and have him continue to try and improve at 3B.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Aug 24, 2014 -> 02:29 PM) Offense MIA in NYC. Conor really needs a platoon partner and in general Avi is still working back, Eaton is out and Jose isn't in beast mode right now so tough to string together many hits. Don't get me wrong Jose is amazing I love that he's not just a slugger but him hitting singles and doubles and taking a few walks just isn't going to to much in this offense, not until they get more around him.

QUOTE (1dog @ Aug 24, 2014 -> 02:09 PM) Absolutely infuriating. He's not a Beckham, and not a Major League Baseball player. Period. Didn't know Gordo's mom posted here!

lost in that is that he compared Andy WIlkins to Abreu.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 23, 2014 -> 12:11 AM) The Will To Win argument comes full circle, lol. How to quantify it? If we can't put a number to it, the idea of mental weakness/intestinal fortitude/clutch...then it therefore doesn't exist. Ozzie put it well, when asked about if curses or mental obstacles caused the world series drought in Chicago: "no, just a bunch of $hitty ballplayers". Same thing with The Will To Win

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 11:33 PM) I don't think I've heard anyone here say Avisail Garcia sucks. (yet) I agree with you to an extent though. Projections and scouts both love Avi and so should Sox fans. Give him a full season you're going to see 270-290 with 15-25 HR and a decent OBP. In a few more years, he could way past that. Also, his defense since coming back has looked much improved. We know he can run a bit as well. A 4 tool player. I put him as "star" in my analysis the other night and I think if he stays healthy he'll have a long productive career on the South Side.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 11:18 PM) He also never seemed committed to the idea of Hector Santiago being a starter, and he would easily be the 3rd best starter on this team. Hector Noesi has the same bWAR as a Sox (.6) as Santiago has with the Angels. If someone is offering you Adam Eaton in a package involving Hector Santiago, you sure as hell listen. It was a good trade. The team is improving, it needs more work, if players have to get shipped out in order to balance things out long term so be it. Hector obviously had value but so far the Sox have won that trade.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 10:53 PM) Tanking is never good. And whether or not Robin and his insistence on walking batters and his bullpen choices are to blame, is there not some measure of responsibility the manager bears for another lousy season? Actually they ought to back off Q and Sale. And with all of the interesting hitters in Charlotte, why in the world is a limited hitter like Danks getting the ABs. It could be L Garcia, so I suppose I shouldn't complain. Trust me I've ripped Robin time and time again here. I'm just done beating that dead horse I'm not going to convince anyone that still defends him (laughably imo) at this point. His tactics are some of the worst I've seen in 20 years watching the Sox. He reminds me a lot of Jerry Manuel. A "players' coach" that costs a team 2-3 wins a year with awful tactics. It's ok though, if the team is bad next year Robin will be the fall guy. If the team is good then his errors become more visible and he'll come under more scrutiny in a pennant race. I don't like him but at this point I can only shrug and hope the roster improves, that's more important in the long run anyways. And yes, tanking is often good, see Carlos Rodon.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 10:42 PM) Cannot blame RV or some posters will have to bite tongues. Can't blame Robin for this one but who cares the Sox are tanking fantastically towards a top 8 pick. Only thing that matters rest of the way is the production of the youth and the cornerstones like Jose and Sale and Q. Forget wins and losses the next 30 odd games and enjoy watching some of the new faces.

QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 10:01 PM) I was hoping Hawk may go the way of Marty Benson. lol

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 09:36 PM) This ump can go f*** a goat Hopefully the Goat has better eyesight.