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QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 07:37 PM) Conor is a doubles machine and should be hitting in an RBI spot... maybe 5th or 6th. Ideally I'd like: Eaton De Aza Conor Jose Garcia Dunn Ramirez Beckham Flowers

have we gotten any word on whatsup with Eaton? He's eligible to come off the DL on Tuesday I think.

So 1 month into Rodon the biggest question is how many IP he throws next year in MLB. Thanks Marlins and Astros!

QUOTE (oldsox @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 03:37 PM) Pitched well. 6 innings, 2 runs, 2 home runs. Nice, saw him in the spring wished him good luck and he tipped the cap to me. Seems like a good guy that just comes into work and does his job without asking for much in return.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 03:31 PM) Did Appel do well to start off last year? Not really, he's been pretty bad since being drafted. He was OK last year but that's in low A and below. If he was a 4th or 5th round pick you'd say OK growing pains but for a guy taken 1st overall he hasn't shown much. Just looking at his stats this year it seems he's had control issues -- 19 walks in 64 IP and that's in AA and A+.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 01:29 PM) De Aza defense > Danks bat. There's no reasonable argument over who the better player is. Better per dollar or better fit for the 2015 White Sox, those might be arguments. Personally I don't think either is a part of the plan. Viciedo is the odd man out. De Aza should be the 4th OF / Rotating DH IMO. Cut bait on Tank, get a real LF in and then De Aza is your super sub getting 400 PA. Not a bad plan for a contender. They have to improve the bench next year as well if they want to squeeze out a another win or two.

It's obvious that the Sox think more of De Aza than Tank as it's Tank that is on the bench when Avi is healthy. If anything, it's Viciedo that is persona non grata in the org (as he should be imo, his profile gets more and more Wily Mo Pena esque with every passing PA).

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 12:40 PM) I was perhaps the biggest fan of De Aza getting his shot when he got it, I think he'll earn his contract in general if he is brought back but here I have to say, no. He does not fit where this roster needs to go. He should have been dealt last offseason to avoid having to make this decision if he had a bad year. If offered Arb, we're talking about having him on a 1 year, $6-ish million deal. If De Aza was available as a free agent for 1 year, $6 million, would you say that was a good use of resources? I wouldn't. He's a guy who could potentially help fill a hole on a team for a year if they're looking to compete, but he's not a long-term option and he's not going to be easily traded unless he starts off on a roll that he never found this year. When we signed a guy like Paulino, or Downs, we could say "that gives us a chance to hold him if he gets better, trade him this season if he can bring a return, or at least have a solution for multiple years if he does well". None of those are the case with De Aza. If we're looking at a $75 million or lower payroll next year and not bringing anyone big in, then I'd rather take a chance on a reclamation project with several years of team control for that money. If we're looking at a higher payroll, then we have to ask whether De Aza fills the team's needs and that's a hard sell to me as well. Yea but it's not like he couldn't be flipped. He's established a pretty good baseline as a 1.5 to 2.5 WAR player, that has value and for 5-7 million I'd have no problem bringing him back either because the Sox think they can contend or as a flippable bat at the deadline or even winter meetings.

I would have zero problem with a rotating DH next year and De Aza could be part of that. The Sox have enough guys that could use the occasional rest from the field (Eaton, Avi, Jose) and enough decent outfielders to where you could get De Aza and Tank a start or two a week at DH along with Jose and even Adam on occasion. Ideally a fairly big upgrade (talking 2 WAR) at 2B and LF and SP allows the Sox to enter '15 in contention without spending much money on DH.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 12:10 AM) I guess Noesi, sadly. Depends on how much they trust EJ on possibly rebounding or how fast they think Beck or Bassitt can develop. Then you've got to see how they think Adams/Montas/Danish/Martinez develop. EJ isn't even a pimple on Coop's ass right now imo, he's been brutal and was recently shut down with "shoulder tightness" or something. Sale Q Rodon Noesi Danks that won't fly IMO they need at least 2 more guys to compete and ideally Rodon wouldn't come up until May.

all the new guys are likeable, keep clearing out the dead wood.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 17, 2014 -> 10:15 PM) Remember this when people start complaining next year about his lack of power. If he hits 290/350/480 with 40 doubles he'll be worth roughly 4 war assuming his other tools develop a bit more defensively and on the bases. He might never be much of a power hitter, but a poor man's Mags wouldn't be bad either.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 17, 2014 -> 06:26 PM) Stanton now leads MLB with 32 HR. Ortiz leads in RBI with 91. He's kinda muddling a long (certainly most players would take his "muddling along") but he's getting jammed inside now so that's the next adjustment.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 17, 2014 -> 05:59 PM) Avi... If we can ever get him and Eaton and Jose and Conor going at the same time lookout. Actually, that might be next year. The future is looking good imo. Avi looks like he hasn't missed a beat I love how he hits laser beam after laser beam the other way.

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Aug 17, 2014 -> 03:06 PM) I'll be glad to not see f***ing Scott Carroll on the bump next year. Yea no more Beckham, Carroll and Dunn please.

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Aug 17, 2014 -> 02:59 PM) f***ing Dunn. I'll be glad when he's gone. I hope we sign Victor in the offseason to put behind Abreu They started the cleanse last year but the stench of bad teams won't be fully gone until Dunn and Beckham are gone and they find a couple back end starters.

just retire already.

Well this is fun. Having another big presence in the lineup with Avisial makes a big difference, more than on paper perhaps.

This teams has scored 10 or more what, half a dozen times? Bet that didnt' happen more than twice in 13. At least they are occasionally explosive. edit, yep, 5 times. And they've scored 9 runs six (!) times. 2013 team scored 10+ 4 times all year and 9 runs only 3 times.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 12, 2014 -> 01:12 PM) More than anything else, this is what I look for in a baseball player. Tragically you don't work for the Yankees, they would have snatched up Beckham.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 14, 2014 -> 07:31 PM) I would prefer he not be called up at the end of this season. Let him start fresh in Spring Training and fit him into the rotation for 2015 That's pushing it a bit. If he does well in the AFL he'll enter 2015 in 'Zona with "a chance to make the rotation" which in reality means he just has a chance to stay an extra week before heading to AA. If he does well in Birmingham he'll either join the Sox or get a bit more seasoning in Charlotte before a late season call up. And IMO as talented as he is even that's pushing it. I don't really think they want to use him out of the bullpen on a team out of contention and that's likely the case next year so they might just say screw wait until '16 and unless he's putting up historical numbers in MiLB I don't have much quibble with that plan -- there is no rush.

QUOTE (The Wiz @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 12:42 AM) So you are saying you've never said someone was a "p**sy" or "f*g" or told someone to drop their balls or get their panties out of a bunch, or said something was "gay?" If you haven't, I find that extremely hard to believe. I'm not saying that saying any of that stuff is right or wrong, but people have the right to say what they want and I'd say the vast majority of people who say these things do them out of jest/anger/ some sort of emotion and never mean to offend or have anything against any of the group's they may have offended with saying it. It is just something that has gone on with males for thousands of years. And I think you are definitely wrong, nothing is changing, the only thing is changing is the forums in which you can actually say what you feel and think are changing. Go to any school yard today and listen to the conversation of a group of boys and compare it to one of 30 years ago. Boys are still making fun of other boys, kids are still getting made fun of for doing things like a girl, etc. What also hurts your argument is that these groups that we are told are suppossed to be offended by making comments like this use those very terms in jest all the time. It's not uncommon for a girl to tell a man to stop wearing a skirt or get your panties out of a bunch. Or for homosexual people to call things gay, and so forth. If things were really changing, these groups wouldn't use those phrases and such anymore. Most of the time it is some white guy telling us that those people should be offended. Wow.

I grew up on Hawk and Wimpy for anyone that complains about "oh you young kids" come on I'm 31 I was listening to Hawk and Wimpy 80 games a year starting around age 9 or 10. I LOVED Hawk. My pops and I would do his catch phrases all the time. Since that time he's 20 years older and quite frankly the game has passed him by. It's time to retire with grace and class he sounds old and bitter and increasingly incoherent in every broadcast. Luckily this year there is some new talent to keep him over the ledge mostly.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 14, 2014 -> 02:58 AM) I don't know why some of you guys aren't more mad at Hahn for the Addison Reed thing. I mean it's inexcusable to trade away a good closer (a proven closer for those of you who don't think he was good) when you have no closer candidates in the current organization. It's pretty bad GM'ing I think. You know, he did acquire some pieces in putting together his version of a bullpen. It's not like he didn't try. He just failed. That's what makes me shake my head at you guys giving him a free pass. He thought he was building a bullpen, but he failed miserably. It's just plain ridiculous to see all these bullpen implosions. If I was a season ticket holder, I'd surely be mad. Addison Reed sucks balls. His velocity was already in decline with the Sox and he's been awful this year a 3.91 ERA in the NL, in a pitcher's park, in 2014 isn't even average, it's well below it for a closer. If Lindstrom didn't get injured and/or Jones they would have been as good or better than Reed this year. You guys ever play OOTP? Not every time you trade a reliever for a prospect does it work out with the prospect but that doesn't mean you don't keep trying because that prospect has the potential to be >>>> than the reliever. People talk up Reed like he's some elite closer. Hell no, he's an average reliever at best that Chicago dumped at exactly the right time. You guys should trust the ORG more on pitcher trades, they have a very good history with them.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Aug 14, 2014 -> 04:35 PM) Article, predictably, sucky and full of hyperbole Huh, Sounds like Hawk. I'm sick of Hawk, I don't even care much about this particular comment but he's a bitter and increasingly incoherent old man. Nobody is saying he has to be forced out ingloriously but retirement should be on the table for '15 no question about it. Ease him out if you have to with a bunch of guest announcers next year so he can go out on his terms but he has shouldn't have any future as a full time commentator with Chicago.