chitownsportsfan

Yea, rehab procedures change all the time. My surgeon, who was world class, who did both my patella rupture repairs (I had a dual rupture 4 years ago that I have come back from incredibly well) advocated an out-dated rehab procedure that thank god I didn't follow. I researched the cutting edge stuff online, from all sources, including youtube diaries, university level sports medicine journals, online forums etc. I hardly pretend to know how to repair a ruptured patella but I do know that at 2 weeks followup visit I was doing things my surgeon was amazed at, like walking into his office without a walker, only using my braces. I pushed it. I was walking as much as possible even though I was tired all the time, 2-3 miles every day even tho most rehab from the 90s and early aughts advocated BED REST for a month. I was running on the treadmill at 4 months and completed a 2000 ft hike (up and down, down is the hard part) less 6 months after surgery. Medicine procedures change all the time. It's hardly an outlandish position to suggest that given the outcome here -- TJ surgery, perhaps in cases where imaging and diagnostics reveal small tears it's best to just completely replace the ligament even if there is a small, non zero chance of a catastrophic complication arising from the surgery. Surgeons are smart people and they are well aware of "fat tail" outcomes from surgeries, unforeseen consequences and worst case scenarios. They are trained to avoid these surgeries when possible. Given the context of professional baseball and TJ, perhaps they should re-evaluate their procedures to fully inform their clients of the risks, but to also inform them of the possible upside as well, given how well the procedure is now done and how solid the expected outcomes are. Christ some of you guys argue on here like it's an academic setting or some shit. Good lord.

Well that was one of my original speculations, that Dunning didn't follow the rehab and under-reported his symptoms. And I'd argue that patient compliance and a realistic expectation of compliance for a young athlete might be a reason to get TJ rather than rely on compliance with a rehab and throwing program requiring mechanical adjustments.

I'd argue those surgeons, as they are trained, were overly cautious. In pro MLB and with pitcher elbows, aggressive surgical repair via TJ might be the best course of action even if it's not the conservative approach that most favor. Anyways, just another brick in the wall. This offseason sucks. I guess we're in season now. I need a shot of baseball life man. I hope this team somehow wins 60 games before the ASB.

I always wonder what these guys are doing all winter if they get into camp and suddenly can't throw a baseball. Has to be considered that Dunning was hiding the extent of his discomfort last year and if the Sox were actively monitoring his activity and rehab this winter closely enough. Right now the data points just keep coming in that this org just isn't doing things the right way. And yes, we can use hindsight here. Why not? Looks like he should have had the surgery last fall. He'd already be throwing again like Kopech.

There's zero urgency anywhere in the FO. Hahn seems a decent enough guy, but he knows, like most of these guys do, that as long as they are loyal they've got a lifetime gig under JR. It's still a bit mind boggling that Hahn has been promoted from essentially a pure "capologist" and "contract guy" to GM in charge of baseball operations. Like, what in Hahn's background suggests he's capable of this role? Nothing.

It's also like 50 degrees and raining in the Valley of the Sun. If you came down from Chicago and planned this out months ago right now you are just shaking your head. I doubt there will be more than 1000 folks in attendance at any of the games the next week. Things aren't supposed to warm up for another week at least. It's been an absolutely brutal February for pretty much the entire west coast and 300 or so miles inland. Snow in vegas, low 50s in Phoenix and LA with rain constantly and lows in the teens in Seattle, which is unheard of for the most part. It's 34 and flurrys out my window right now. WTF man. This time of year it's often mid 50s and the rhododendrons are starting to bloom. Brutal.

Yep, sign Frank as well.

Balta perfectly explained why this is dumb. There's not really much more to argue so I won't. NRIs never workout with the Sox beyond a fluke April because this club's MLB scouting is dog shit. This one won't either. Unless it's a flame balling reliever with control problems their track record here is about zero.

Sure, and you lost the opportunity cost. Look, nobody is going to argue this is a horrible, high risk move. But WTF are they doing man? Like, you can't find an Ian Clarkson to get batted around that's already on your 40 man? You can't find a AAAA guy under 36 not coming off major surgery in a rebuild year? The process is PUKE.

He has a debilitating finger issue that required fairly involved surgery last year. It's 50/50 if he can even make it through spring gripping a baseball. This is a dumpster dive don't fool yourself. And it's not a dumpster sitting outside in Park Slope or the Upper East Side it's a dumpster in a back alley in outer Queens outside the Gyro spot.

What's Jimmy Rollins doing? If he's not calling Hahn right now he's missing out.

cheers bro (or gal), my late father used to turn the the game up downstairs on WGN so my mom would accept I "went to bed" but I could keep listening if I kept the door cracked. I remember he'd come up and close the door after the game was over and sometimes I'd wake and ask if the Sox won, he'd always respond. Big Frank with the RBI! Robin had the clutch pick at third to keep it close! Ray stole the base to put himself in scoring position... in 2005 my dad I were not on speaking terms. I was a cocky college kid that had blown 120 K of his money at private school and done nothing. Somehow we found common ground in El Duque's magical 3 outs and everything else that post season. Wish the old man was here to here me b**** today! And see my business succeeding of course and hear my laughter of how dumb I was at 22. Baseball is family and there are certain things you can say around family that always ring out. All us hardcore fans are family, and right now we are hurting and mad.

If they had a good process and failed it's one thing, but as you noted: they had an awful process and expected to succeed. It's hard to believe that in a multi-billion dollar industry such incompetence is on display. When KW and Hahn come out and say they flatly expected to compete on anything other than AAV -- I'm flabbergasted. Wait, what? Hahn is UM and Ivy League educated. KW has been in baseball since I was in diapers. HOW CAN THEY BE SO NAIVE? It doesn't give much of a good feeling going forward.

Yea the moment you realize that the FO is objectively bad is a rough one. There's no defending this FO anymore. It's objectively bad.

You've been on point this week kudos. I quit smoking weed for one of my resolutions and I've toked up probably 8 times in the last 50 odd days. Coming from a daily heavy smoker this is a big change. I feel a lot more clear headed but man quitting (or largely abstaining) makes me a lot more angry at the Sox. Easier to shrug it off stoned out your gourd and eating sour patch kids.

Don't tweet about a 32 year old journeyman looking "fire" on the mound against air?

what's worse? That they did that or that they did it for pure baseball reasons mutually exclusive from Machado? Talk about a shit sandwich.

As noted, I called them earlier today at the 312 number. I was surprised there was no automated system a rep actually picked up, I b****ed for a minute, heard her say "sorry to hear that" and I hungup. Felt kinda cathartic. Hopefully people call and b**** in addition to not spending money. I doubt either will do much but it can't hurt.

It will make us feel a bit better to see him squirm so I'm for it. He's part of the problem.

I hope he turns into Babe Ruth.

Same, must be nice being a made man in a JR run org. Paxson and Gar contradict themselves and say stupid shit on the regular but JR just keeps signing the checks.

I guess that's fair, it can't be fun to keep writing about such a shit franchise.

Jim's post on Manny is pretty much exactly why he's so damn boring as a writer. Dude, you can inject some emotion and speculation into your writing. It's 2019. Its your domain. You're not a beat writer covering crime in Rochester. Any single person in the world could have written that piece, but what do YOU FEEL?

I know for a fact that most FOs have PR folks that read forums. It's been confirmed on RealGM numerous times. I hope like hell that the White Sox have people reading this in the FO and are horrified at what they are seeing. We are not the casual fans. We are the base. Sadly however the guaranteed TV money and revenue sharing makes our individual boycotts less effective. I would think that thinks like 15K on opening day and bottom barrel local TV ratings would spook them a bit. Hopefully.

Sounds about right. Except the Sox thought they could get a premium player for pennies on the dollar like they were dumpster diving not shopping on Broadway. Good one.