Balta1701

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 10:59 AM) And when this science can set the doomsday date, with definitive evidence, perhaps those in denial will begin to listen, mostly because this is what sounding doomsday alarms does to people. But right now, sounding alarm bells and screaming the world is going to end...only we aren't sure when...or if it will actually end...is equal to crying wolf over and over again. Eventually, people will start ignoring you or looking for ways to tell you to take a one way train to shuttie-town. It's all in the approach, and from the get go in regard to this subject, the AGW crowd took a poor approach in getting peoples attention by crying wolf too soon...and too often. If you launch a rocket up into the stratosphere, an exact calculation can be done telling you exactly when it will hit the ground. Back before we understood gravity, etc...all we could do is say...hey, that rocket might come back down! I bet back then, there were people that denied it just the same. The remarkable thing about what you just said though is...this is a story we could tell you 25 years ago. We have more data since then yes, but Hansen's temperature models from the late 80's pretty well fit where we are right now. We can't give you an exact date for when any storm is going to happen, but we could say that we'd hit 1 degree at this point, you'd start seeing serious impacts at that point, and a couple more degrees would keep making things worse. And voila, huge expenditures on droughts, disaster recovery, food shortages in vulnerable parts of the world, etc. What we can't do is make it all come at once.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 10:51 AM) Perhaps that's because they're editorials in a financial newspaper, not published peer review studies in scientific magazines/newspapers or journals? If you went by the evidence published in peer-reviewed journals, you really wouldn't write things like "It's not clear that CO2 is the only driver"...because we have good evidence that it's the strongest driver throughout geologic history, we have good evidence what the other factors are, we have good evidence what the magnitude of those factors are, and we can put together a very coherent picture here.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 10:50 AM) First, we do see this being discussed in mainstream sources or we wouldn't be discussing it right now. It's clear that CO2 is *a* driver...but it's not the only driver. There is a lot more to know about this before people like you continue sounding the alarm bell. Science based on politicized fear is a poor approach to discussion and it's the main driver of the denial you seem to hate. You propagate this attitude in your posts, as do others who continue chanting, "The British are coming!", in regard to AGW, when, in fact...they only *might* be coming, we're pretty sure they're coming...but we aren't positive...yet...and IF they are coming, they'll get here in 75 years when none of us will be alive. This is a piss poor way to convince people of something. By virtually any standard of evidence that we adopt, the impacts are already here. We're already paying for them.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 10:42 AM) We need those that deny it's existence, because they'll fund science to disprove it...they can uncover holes in the evidence which will help correct the path those that are trying to prove it. Both sides are necessary because this has become politicized science. True science goes from the middle...they don't look to prove something without trying to disprove it at the same time (or visa versa)...they simply look for the facts on the subject at hand. Take with a grain of salt any "science" that's looking to do just one or the other...not both at the same time. There is one other key element here that makes things particularly messy. Yes, people are always making efforts to challenge the consensus and to improve data. But what do you do when the data is screaming "You're driving straight for a brick wall"? When there's a minimal cost associated with performing an experiment, great, perform the experiment. When you're doing a trial for a drug and you find that there's an enormous benefit, you cut the trial and put everyone on the drug before you kill someone. Everything right now is screaming "this is going to be incredibly bad for all of humanity". If people want to be skeptical about where Mars is in its orbit, that doesn't hurt anyone. When people are skeptical here, that skepticism is used as a reason not to take any actions to deal with the problem...and that makes things worse. This isn't just science in this case. This is science saying that an accident of what we've done to the world is going to make things incredibly bad for us. Continuing the experiment unchecked because science would find those results fascinating isn't a good move for people.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 09:46 AM) They also have Hanley now. He can't play both SS and 3b simultaneously, right?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 09:35 AM) If we're bringing back any former White Sox, it should be Uribe. IF IF IF the Dodgers will help us out on the contract. They're soon to be swimming in money, and Hanley/Dee Gordon make him superfluous on that roster. Isn't Dee Gordon out for a while?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 04:25 PM) And I'd love to have Juan Pierre from his early days with the Marlins. Very very valuable leadoff hitter. Walker has more pop though. And no, I'm not saying Walker is going to be Juan Pierre (cause Pierre early on was one of the best leadoff guys in the game). Of course, one other difference is that Walker has as many BB in 363 PA's as the peak Juan Pierre had in 747 PA's.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 02:49 AM) Is amazing how much the Sox rotation has changed cause of stuff. Who would have thought Quintana, Sale, Liriano, Floyd, Peavy and Humber would be the rotation? And with Sale apparently needing rest even he will probably not finish the season. Wow. Sale not having the endurance to get through a full season as a starter could have been predicted at the start of 2011 when they gambled on putting him in the bullpen for a full season.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 08:38 AM) Unless it is a very simple change, he will be gone by the time any real changes can be made to Liriano. Unlikely, but will at least float it...if he were to have big success in the last 2 months and really feel comfortable, he might want to pitch for the same coach for 1 more season to try to build up the kind of performance record that could push him to an enormous contract.

QUOTE (scenario @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 11:16 PM) I've been keeping an eye on Trayce and it seems to me that he's starting to put it together. What have his K numbers been like recently?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 03:06 AM) Of course I wanted the Sox to dump him. He was a disaster. There were a few people that said he'd return to his norm. Looks like a lot of GMs agreed with me. Not one GM saw Dunn turning it around, because nobody tried to trade for him. Whoever said the Sox should keep Dunn no matter what, stand up and take a bow. He's having a very good season. How do you know no one tried to trade for him?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 09:05 AM) Sure, in the 1950's. Not today. So because the quality of the media has gone down, it's now reasonable to ask why they don't have discussions of Christian Religious philosophy?

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 01:01 AM) IF they're healthy. That's a pretty big asumption given their best player is out until at least March and their other four starters have all had injury issues in the past. And their PF is now even older than he was previously...and the bench appears thinner.

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Jul 30, 2012 -> 02:37 AM) Reddy sounds like me when I was 17. The constant comparisons to the civil rights with blacks is laughable. I'm about as liberal as it gets but seriously Gays have very nearly the same rights as you or I. I'd love to see them be able to get legally married and all but I have never seen anyone openly discriminate against someone because they are gay. The government should just make everything civil unions and let the churches call what they do marriage if you ask me. Then either you don't know anyone who is gay or you're not paying attention.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 10:14 PM) Yeah, but someone has to go down to make room for Liriano. They could DL sale retroactively and basically just skip 2 of his starts.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 10:15 PM) Uh, I'm pretty sure he was referring to your blanket statement about all southerners being bigoted. One doesn't choose to be a southerner either! Wait...

The guy at Berkeley who was going to prove that climate change was a fraud had an op-ed in the NYT yesterday. It's actually kind of nice to see someone come out and say that the IPCC results are very conservative and probably underestimating what we've actually done.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 09:38 PM) You've named two players that will be in our regular rotation, and one of them is a mythical "young player" that everybody is pining for. Quit being an e-alarmist and acting like we're going to win 13 games again or something. Some would say that the only 2 places in the league that aren't terrible are winning 60+ games and winning 13 games, because the worst place you can be is winning 40 games and over the cap.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 09:44 PM) Fine, let's take a poll, and see if I'm off base: All southerners posting in this thread, do you support gay marriage? Do I count?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 09:58 PM) You mean like how KW said "that's news to me"? Haven't you learned that everything KW says is a lie until the final deal is done?

I know no one wants to hear it, but 6 IP, 2 ER against the Rangers lineup isn't bad at all.

Wait, Gavin Floyd picked someone off?!

Damnit Alexei

QUOTE (northside sawx @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 01:47 PM) Same. I guess they figure acouple vets like CQ and Street could be very valuable to have around once they start promoting some of.their prized prospects to the big club and start being competitive? Seems much more likely that they're going to be in the Peavy situation with them, where they're trying to move them in a year or two to clear the salary.

Got out of it again huh.