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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 08:35 AM) Red meat for the meathead fans I really don't put the phrase "Meathead fans" together with the Angels.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 08:44 AM) I have been saying this for a year now. I really wonder if they sniffed around with him at the trading deadline? Anyways, there will be a market for the guy when you look at NY and Boston's staff's. Hasn't everyone said that Danks was available but that they didn't get an offer they were content with?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 08:42 AM) How about a few months earlier than you wanted? Now we need to keep that the plan through spring training's end.

QUOTE (JorgeFabregas @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 11:59 PM) You know who's going to get a million plate appearances next year? Emilio Bonifacio. Marlins fans better hope that his walk rate is at 2011 levels. A 26 year old leadoff hitter who put up a .360 OBP and a .753 OPS, while being 40/51 (just under 80%) stolen bases? I'd give that a good number of at bats too.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 10:42 PM) Chris will be an absolute monster by 2013. Mark my words. If he stays healthy I totally agree with this. I'm really worried about the innings load.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 10:22 PM) Also, if Ozney is in the draft again. We should take him. Everytime. And God no.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 07:55 AM) I'm sorry, but I just don't see the Sox having any kind of chance in 2012 if they trade Quentin away. He's the second-best hitter on what is a very pathetic offense. You just explained why he's replaceable though...2nd best hitter on a pathetic offense. Quentin is replaceable. His replacement may already be here in Viciedo. He's not great defensively even though he was adequate this year, and he's good for a month on the DL every year at least. An OF of De Aza, Lillibridge, Viciedo has a real good shot at being better offensively and defensively than Pierre, Rios, Quentin. And if Rios happens to hit well enough to break back in, so much the better.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 09:54 PM) An American citizen was killed by his own government without due process, let's pause and think if that's a good thing. It is a good thing that this guy is dead. It is not a good thing that we had to ignore the law to make it happen.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 09:12 PM) Terra Nova is alright, but I don't like TV shows that use a lot of effects that also don't have the money to do it well. Fake CGI is one of the worst things in entertainment. I don't see this show making it past 3 seasons, tops. Yeah, it is. Like SOA, everything seems to wrap up in a neat little package. The ending of season 4 being the only real exception I can recall. Youdidnt find the cockblockasaurus to be realistic?

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 09:24 PM) Many also had concerns about him reliably retiring right handed hitters due to his arm slot. Then we saw his offspeed stuff.

Make the tigers pitchers field.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 09:22 PM) Mechanics, frame, etc. There was risk. Even if he has the stuff. The warning signs were there. I'm not going to make a stink about this now. But there's no letting the Sox off the hook if he ends up back in the bullpen. All of those things you listed are reasons to worry about injury, not performance. That's why the bullpen for him this year was so risky. It's screwig with what his arm was adapting to.

The last 5 or so statements make no sense. The reason people thought he was a reliever was Health, not stuff. And I he's a starter, he'll be a very good one if e stays healthy. As soon as his arm loosened up and he could throw strikes, hitters had no shot. That part shouldn't change. OTS health that is the worry.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 09:07 PM) That's what he averaged this year as a reliever. It'd be physically dangerous to have him throw that fast as a starter. Wilson lost 3 MPH on his fastball after converting to a starter last season. Sale may be different, I don't know. But a lot of relievers lose at least 2-3 MPH after converting. Ogando only lost 1 MPH on the fastball this season though. Take a look at his velocity chart...his velocity was low the first month or so when he stank. He probably was needing to stretch his arm out since he was used to starting. I think he probably averaged close to 96 after may. Enough innings to stretch out in the spring and he might have popped that the whole year.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 09:03 PM) Wait a minute? Sale's FB is going to drop 4 MPH as a starter? I smell another failed White Sox 1st round pick if that happens. He averaged 94.9 this year and 95.9 in his cup of coffee last year (when he had already thrown 120 college innings to stretch out)

The rangers may just have the rays number

QUOTE (Cali @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 08:52 PM) So what percentage are we looking at for Sale's fastball while starting sits in the low-90's instead of upper 90's? 98%? 100? Id love to see him average 94-95

Both verlander and sabathia struggling

QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 08:42 PM) He produced 1.4 WAR out of the bullpen. With the staff the way it was this year, being a starter just didn't fit. Getting him some valuable experience as a reliever in high leverage situations isn't a bad thing, in fact Sale had the 7th best WPA of all relievers in MLB. It's just part of his learning experience. TBH, I'm still worried about him as a starter. He just looks like a guy who will lose a lot of his stuff due to the transition and break down later on in the year. Then you know what would have been great? Stretching him out to 165 innings this year. Best thing you could have done if you were really worried about him breaking down at the end of the year.

That's why you have separate credit cards for the porno.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 06:36 PM) How is Phil "right"? The season doesn't start for 7 months....The "kids" are prospects he gets back for Danks, Floyd...etc. I still hold it is really unlikely we'll get anything MLB-ready back for Danks/Floyd/Quentin...or if we do, it won't be the kind of player that you want to give a starting job to, it'll be a recovery project or someone like Lillibridge coming off a down year.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 06:20 PM) I'd rather rebuild than plan to challenge for the central with this group. This is a case where the fact that we have so much invested in 3 underperforming guys and a handful of high performing guys dictates that a true rebuilding is nearly impossible. If you try to sell off everything of value, and then Dunn, Rios, and Peavy perform well...you're still not going to get much for them by trading them, because people will be scared off by 2011 (Dunn), 2009-2011 (Peavy), and 2009 and 2011 (Rios). This effectively means...they're going to be playing or on the bench...but they're going to get paid either way. If they happen to perform well, but you've surrounded them with stuff that can't compete, you've shot yourself in the foot and wasted their comeback. If they fail again, then they sit on the bench and you're playing what kids you have anyway...because you're not competing. I think you put the best cheap, young team around them that you can and see what happens. But that's just me.

QUOTE (JorgeFabregas @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 06:08 PM) They'll need six starters with Sale and Peavy in the rotation, as both will have limited innings because of injury or by design. If the choice is Stewart/Axelrod, we do technically have 6 starters because the loser starts off in AAA. But Stewart/Axelrod in the 5th spot really is not a recipe for challenging for the Central. A starting pitcher coming back or a "Coop will fix em" signing seems in order if both Danks and Floyd were moved.

QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 05:22 PM) Wow you guys really think we won't see Floyd OR Danks back? We better be getting somebody REALLY good for them. I think Danks is gone. Floyd depends on what salary level JR is willing to endorse. And I still really want Stewart to start the year at AAA if possible.

QUOTE (whitesox901 @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 05:07 PM) Whats Frasor's option anyway? And any chance its picked up? 1 year, $3.5 million club option. Based on how he performed its very unlikely the team will pick that up. The team does have the right to decline that option and still offer him arbitration. Should Frasor accept that arbitration, this year's salary is $2.5 million and that's somewhere in the area of a starting point for negotiations. Should Frasor decline that arbitration and sign elsewhere, the Sox would receive a Sandwich pick.