Balta1701

D2 and Milledge 2/3

So remember that game the Indians gave us totally free? Screwup by their cf? So long ago, when was that, 27 hours ago?

OH JESUS CHRIST

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 08:52 PM) The price would change. Whether that be fair or not, the price would change. The speculators themselves would rocket oil upon the end of subsidization just on principal, whether it would or should actually do it or not. Hell, if a oil producer even sneezes these days and it hits the wire, oil goes up 3$. Then they ought to go to jail since altering a market like that is illegal. Of course, if you defund the regulator, you can do that.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 08:38 PM) Here is the biggest problem with the stimulus plan, and the main reason it failed. You can't go on television and be anti-bank, anti-wealth, and anti-business and expect banks, the rich, and business to lead a recovery no matter how much money you throw at the problem. When you are publicly talking in punitive terms, yet bemoaning the lack of creation in this country, you are either clueless or blinded to your agenda. That's why the stimulus failed at a trillion, and would have failed at two, three, or however many hindsight trillion dollars you want to make it. The talk about it needing to be bigger is a complete smokescreen for the real failure of the plan, and that is Obama's complete failure at installing any confidence into this economy. No one is going to hire on a permanent basis right now because everyone is waiting for the next shoe to drop. They are waiting for the new taxes, the new regulations, the new punitive measures that you here laced in all of the class warfare going on right now. Because of the nature of this Presidency, everything is looked at as temporary. Because there is no confidence, nothing is permanent. We created a mass of temporary jobs and accomplished nothing really in the long term. Or waitin for the next bank inflated bubble to pop? Or waiting to see if we default on the safest asset in the world to be annoying? Or the next major war? Naw, stuff like that has no impact on people investing because republicans are doing it. Businesses panic any time democrats do anything. War, financial crisis, completely bullplop accounting, lack of health insurance, cities under water, they have no impact on investment. But being mean to a CEO making $232 million a year? Scandalous!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 08:39 PM) Just like I said would happen and was laughed at with oil subsidies. That we create oil subsidies and then there's no change and the companies pocket the price in either case? Yeah that's the opposite of what you said would happen. You argued that getting rid of a subsidy would lead to a price increase. If this is te example, then we ought to get rid of subsidies and skyrocket taxes because the price won't change.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 08:47 PM) I'm sure we'll have more success the 2nd time thru the order 2 hits is better than usual for the first time through.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 08:26 PM) PK hitting under .200 in his last 10 games, 0 HR He always falls apart when put in the 3 hole.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 08:17 PM) The kid couldn't beat out two has beens. Neither can Dayan Viciedo.

Nice start Juan

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 07:14 PM) Pops up in other sports, too. e.g. Years ago, when I followed the NBA, there were three really good point guards in the West: Gary Payton, Nick van Exel, and John Stockton. Van Exel would eat up Stockton, Stockton would dominate Payton, and Payton would chew up Van Exel. It went on for 2-3 yrs, never could understand it. Derrick Rose demolished every other pg he saw after Jan 1. Just wanted to note that.

"He's a soft tossing left handed and we all know about soft tossing left-handers we havent seen." -direct Stone pregame quote

By the way, the FAA shutdown I mentioned last week did happen. Construction has stopped at airports across the country and the government can no longer collect airline taxes. This is of course a great thing, right? An upper class tax cut given directly to subsidize air travel. Except...the airlines uniformly just raised their ticket prices by the amount that is no longer going to taxes.

Wisconsin passes voter ID bill, follows up a few months later by closing down ID-issuing offices in low-income territory where they have only "Temporary facilities" and expanding DMV hours elsewhere. Surely just a coincidence.

Serious question, since we're actually seeing examples of this happening right now. Let's say you're a blogger/writer, and your work gets explicitly cited in the manifesto of a person who commits an atrocity like this one. How do you react?

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 06:42 PM) Does his contract expire this year? He's arbitration-eligible, and this issue means the sox are unlikely to offer him arbitration. That would make him non-tendered this offseason.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 05:52 PM) Remember when Tony Pena used to be good in 07, 08, and 09? Yeah... Having him start last year totally f***ed his arm up. Really, he wasn't that good in 08-09 either. He was ok. ERA around 4 or over, WHIP around 1.5.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 04:55 PM) I've been criticizing him and his economic team over their bad policies. Obama and his administration are not the Keynesian economists who said it wouldn't work in the first place, that it needed to be larger and the spending split up differently. I don't understand why you are incapable of separating the two. They actually had economists in their group who were saying that it needed to be 1.5-2x as large. The President chose instead to listen to the concerns of people like Larry Summers, who worried that too large of a stimulus package would lead to...guess what...inflation!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 04:04 PM) Except you got your extra trillion+ in the QE's. If you wanted to say that we got it with the continuation of the tax cuts last year, that's one thing. The Fed buying up a trillion or so of paper only has a stimulative effect on the order of $10 billion, maybe up to $20, by slightly lowering interest rates on the market. Of course, I was kinda hoping you'd go with the tax cut one, because I'm trying to find the old posts where y'all tell me that tax cuts are such great stimulus and infrastructure spending stinks.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 03:43 PM) Ah yes, hindsight. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 4, 2009 -> 04:36 PM) But there's one point you're missing in saying that the vocabulary choice is inappropriate here. We may not yet bet at March of 33 panic levels, but the longer time passes, the larger the gap that the stimulus package needs to fill is. That's one big reason why the size of the stimulus people have been proposing has rapidly increased over the last 6 months or so. Prior to Lehman bros.'s failure, people were talking a few hundred billion more. After the stock calamities through October and TARP, people were already up to talking about $600 billion. After the November job losses and the XMas season, people were talking $800 billion or more. After the continued job losses through January, its entirely reasonable to think that well over a Trillion might be required for the government to fill the output gap and turn this around. This is a case where a snowball rolling down a hill is an accurate metaphor. The more job losses the country suffers, the more a pounding the consumer spending market takes, the more effort it's going to take from the government to stop that snowball. And you don't want to let the snowball hit the cabin below. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 4, 2009 -> 04:49 PM) Come on. We all know the reason it keeps getting added to is that each Sen/Rep is adding their pet projects to it because they know it "has" to pass.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 03:43 PM) Yep, if we lose tonight's game, then root for a Tigers sweep (with Peavy going against Verlander, I don't think we really have to "hope" for a Sox loss). I'm happy to hear that KW is scouting the systems of Yanks, Phillies and Red Sox. Phillies and Yankees really seem to be the best fits for possible trades, with Quentin going to Phillies and Jackson/lefty reliever to Yankees. There's a big issue with the Phillies...they're only about a million away from having to pay the luxury tax, but they're not ready to part with salary from their big league team.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 03:40 PM) That's funny, I've been hearing Keynesian economists complaining that the stimulus wouldn't work since 2009. Correction...not that it wouldn't work, that it was too small to fill the full hole, and too overloaded with tax cuts. It actually did work. It prevented a deflationary spiral. It just wasn't big enough to drag the full way out.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 03:39 PM) The market has opened up perfectly for KW to make a killing with Jackson, Thornton and Quentin. The three most in-demand positions with fewest number of legitimate good players are starting pitching, lefty relief and power hitting outfielders. If Thornton is being talked about, then we should end this week with Ohman on the Yankees, FWIW.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 03:38 PM) That's funny, I keep hearing if we just spend more money the economy will recover... I think we were supposed to have 8% unemployment by now, right? If you believed the projections that said a $700 billion stimulus package would be fine, yes. If you believed the projections that said we needed a $1.5 trillion or so stimulus, and we passed a $700 billion stimulus with the AMT patch thrown in, they would come out right around "stagnant with 9-is percent unemployment".

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 03:34 PM) Especially since we essentially have an "introductory rate" that will be expiring soon. When will these rates be going up? People in this forum have been saying that since the stimulus passed. I'd love to know a date.