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QUOTE (IamtheHBOMB @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 02:47 PM) That is the worst part about all this. I guarantee you that the vast majority of the people calling for the edit don't know jack s*** about Mark Twain, the time period in which the book was published/written or the concept of satire. Context (verbal and social) is incredibly important when reading or discussing a piece of historical literature. Here's the question though... How many of the kids getting the correct version wind up understanding Twain's logic here? I flat out didn't. I thought it was just the style of the time.

I'd much rather have Sale in the 5th starter's spot than Gorzelanny until Peavy returns, both as a better starter and for his future development. However, we do need an additional lefty and an additional long-man in the pen.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 02:19 PM) I'd say a good 1/3 of this sub-board is humor and satire, and it was a good and timely fit. Twain shouldn't be censored, and neither should the Constitution. White-washing history and white-washing reality does not serve a useful purpose in the long run. Let me ask this in reply...(i may lose this argument in everyone's eyes but I'm going down fighting).../ Is there any situation where a parent (pick their race) would be justified in not wanting their child reading this book based solely on the language?

QUOTE (NIUSox @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 02:13 PM) Its like reading the U.S. Constitution without the parts about a slave being 3/5 of a person or a woman not being able to vote... wait a minute. Ack, you beat me to it!

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 02:11 PM) This country is sometimes so backasswards about this stuff. You can't learn from your mistakes by erasing them from your memory as if they never happened. I was waiting for this one. It's really a nice connection.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 02:06 PM) Wow. Just...wow. That reaction is entirely from living under governor ***-grabber in California for a while.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 02:05 PM) I would say no. You don't edit a work that is a literary classic, plus it provides perspective on where we were and where we are today as a society. Should we update all the shakespeare's works so the words match the current english language? I'll start off with the publisher's perspective on it. Schools at this point are flat-out not including the book in their curricula now because of the 200+ uses of the N-word. You can complain about political correctness here and you probably will, but like it or not...there is every reason to believe that having a mandatory assignment forcing people to read that book will provoke problems. And frankly, I'm not sure that the people complaining wouldn't have a point. The issue in many cases now is "do we read the book at all". This edit gives schools a chance to at least consider keeping it as part of their curricula.

This thread is going to wind up in the Filibuster. Yell at me if you want, it's being moved.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 02:00 PM) The problem is that it ultimately still serves Republican mantras about economic and taxation policy. He never tried to make a case for it, but instead promised to fix problems without raising taxes more than a point. I know where you're going to go with that: if he said this was his plan in October, Brady would have won and (assuming Quinn's doing the right thing here) the state would be in worse shape overall. I get it. I still don't approve of lying for votes. Or...at some point...there needs to be a skeptical group, perhaps protected by an amendment to the constitution, which calls out political candidates who fail to answer simple questions or do simple math.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 01:57 PM) STop telling Text to conform to well-established medical practices that have prevented millions of illnesses and have no causal link to autism! QUESTION EVERYTHING!!!1!!11!1!1 Really, there's nothing wrong with actually questioning everything. That's the basis for science in the first place. The problem is...if you're wrong, you're deliberately wrong, and people suffer because of it...why should you be protected? Tex has stated a position that as far as I can tell would protect everyone in this case...that it should be ok for them all to have done what they did because it was a person's choice what to put in their bodies. I think we've seen what happens in that situation before; people put out toxic quack medicines that kill lots of people and make themselves solid amounts of money. The early part of the 20th century, pre-FDA, saw that all the time.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 01:52 PM) It is the same answer to the question If you vaccinate and the child dies, at what point did the child decide to take responsibility for what was put into its body? Ok, so who takes responsibility then when a doctor takes a ton of money from a pharmaceutical company, deliberately falsifies his results, and creates a cult of people who follow his guidelines, and people die because of it? The parents? The Kids? The doctors? The company(ies) involved? Or do we just pretend nothing bad is happening?

QUOTE (Tex @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 01:47 PM) I believe it is also dangerous for people to stop thinking about what goes into their body and just allow anyone with an MD to decide for them. But as soon as people take responsibility for their own decisions, other people begin to attack. You can't choose a different path, and accept the risk/rewards in out society. You must stay in lock step with everyone else. So Tex...if I listen to an anti-vaccine person, and my child dies...at what point did it decide to take responsibility for what was put into its body?

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 01:39 PM) That's fine. But be honest about it always. You can't even make the excuse here that he didn't know what was going on. He was the governor when he was elected. I am not necessarily saying that this income tax increase doesn't make sense. It very well might. I'm not opposed to governments raising taxes when necessary. I am opposed to politicians making b****ass moves by lying about their true position through their teeth. I think in principle we're all opposed to that...the problem is...those b****a** moves work! They work in every state. They work at the federal level. John Boehner has been asked to name a single program he'd cut to reduce the deficit about a hundred times over the last year, and he still doesn't have an answer. He didn't have an answer yesterday. If the B****A** moves are going to work, and there's no skeptical or honest alternative or press to call the candidate on it, then at least give me the candidate who gets into office and suddenly deals with the situation, rather than continuing to pretend there's no problem.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 01:30 PM) my exact feeling on it. Yes, it's a good move, Garza is a good pitcher, but the Brewers added to better SPs this offseason. I just don't see it giving them that much better of a chance of winning the division. I could certainly see that Cubs team being competitive for the division. They definitely under-performed last year; they only got a half season from Aramis, they effectively got 1/3 of a season from Zambrano. They've at least got a player who could be average at every position. Soriano/Byrd/Fukudome, and Ramirez/Castro/DeWitt/Pena, with Tyler Colvin slugged in there somewhere, Soto behind the plate, Marmol as the closer, with Zambrano/Dempster/Garza/Silva/Wells as their rotation, Wood as a setup man, The thing is, they need to be healthy at a few key spots, and they're older than the teams they're competing against.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 01:11 PM) Balta. Trust me...you're better off in the long run if a politician lies to get elected and then makes painful decisions to deal with issues rather than keeping his mouth shut to get elected and then pretends that there are no long-term issues to deal with.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 01:02 PM) Man, portillos does sound amazing. Maybe should just do the soxtalk gathering there tonight. I repeat my previous post.

Just stay away from the Radinsky statue's elbow. I think that's the bionic part.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 01:02 PM) What? He lied his ass off the whole election. And now, he's actually dealing with a budget deficit, rather than pretending that some mythical "rooting out waste and fraud" will somehow make it all better.

His statue has yet to come alive and take over the Cell, let alone the world. And pretty soon, there'll be an equally powerful statue there to protect us.

Fortunately, there is no evidence of that being the case.

**** you guys.

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 12:51 PM) It's still a p**** move to completely contradict a campaign promise within weeks of your election. Especially when you are already the Governor and knew the score when you made the promise to begin with. Oh come on, at least he's actually being honest about the state's financial situation. That's a hell of a lot better than 95% of the people who just took office around the country.

QUOTE (Controlled Chaos @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 12:55 PM) I wouldn't be so quick to judge. My kids are vaccinated, so I'm not really on her side of the debate, but if some of the things that happened to her happened to me, I could see myself searching for answers. I think your post was fine without the "edit" The issue we're going to have here is that her "search for answers" has helped harm and likely kill dozens, potentially hundreds, potentially thousands of people. A lot of them other people's children.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 12:41 PM) I think maybe Archer is being underrated, but many feel he ends up a closer. The Rays have been great at developing starters and bad at developing closers, so I'm not sure they'd mind.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 12:31 PM) catching 2000+ games means Fisk wins that battle. Depends on genetics and quality of doctors.