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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 10:29 AM) Players can still be very productive until 32 or 33 for the most part. Productive, sure. You can be productive long after that if you're healthy. Your exact phrase was "Past their prime". I believe it's almost uniformly agreed that most players hit their "Prime years" somewhere between age 26-31. Almost by definition, anyone you bring in after age 30 is past their prime and could be criticized under that standard if they don't perform.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 10:27 AM) Jermaine Dye wasn't past his prime when we acquired him. He was 31.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 10:08 AM) I'm sick of bringing in past their prime, injury riddled players to this ball club. Like Jermaine Dye and Freddy Garcia.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 10:11 AM) It's not about interpreting any phrase, it's asking whether we want to grant someone citizenship merely because they were born here. As NSS said, that's a discussion that I think is a good one to have. And he gave concrete examples, citing the "resort" system that exists. Just because we don't know the precise number of people doing this every year doesn't mean we don't know that it happens. I'm not sure what you mean by the bolded. What is a "limited standard?" As a liberal, you're well aware that the Federal government can do (and does) anything it wants, regardless of how many facts or statistics they have to back up its claims. You know, like the executive arbitrarily demanding a private company cough up 2 billion dollars for a disaster it created, despite the fact that the government had/has no idea how much damage has been caused. Here's what I mean by a limited standard...who gets to decide how long you have to be in this country before you can have a child that's a citizen? You want to ban citizenship for "Anchor babies"...do we also ban citizenship for people whose parents have been here for 15 years but are illegal workers? (or does that only happen next election cycle). Or do we realize that a number of birth tourists come here on legal Visas for school or work and decide that they're happy with their children being citizens? Some of those countries are dirty too, or even filled with Muslims! There are, right now, enough children of illegal immigrants in high schools and colleges in this country who were brought here by their parents that there's a bill out there that would allow specifically them a path to legalization. Furthermore, let's not pretend that there are no issues created by denying citizenship to infants. Denial of health care, cutting off of food, cutting off of education...a malnourished group of ill infants isn't exactly conducive to economic growth. There's always going to be a choice of where to draw the line regarding which disliked group we want to exclude this week. That's my point regarding little-c conservatism there...once you give the Federal Government the power to move that line, you're going to find out that someday, you're unhappy with where that line moves.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 09:49 AM) No doubt but he has the ability to get out of a jam with a key strikeout. And this year he's 2-0 with a 2.45 ERA, 10Ks and 3BBs against his next opponent, the Tigers. So you're saying he only pitches well at Comerica? That's a pitchers paradise, you can't count those (Sorry, I remember the days when that was the knock on G! so I had to pull that one out again). Anyway, all I'm saying is...if I'm giving up 6 years of a back of the rotation guy for 1.5 more expensive years of another guy...I think I'm fully justified in expecting that guy to legitimately be a dominant pitcher, and I'm going to call out if I don't get that.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 09:39 AM) So, basically what he says is true? What a crappy article. It's misleading because he doesn't have concrete numbers? How could he? IMO this is just one of many steps that is needed to overhaul the immigration system. Let me turn this around then...changing the Constitution, or even attempting to overhaul how we interpret a phrase like that is, by all accounts, a major overhaul. If you can't provide concrete, unchallengeable numbers to justify that it should be done, then isn't the default, conservative position that we shouldn't change anything? For example...is the power to deny citizenship to people based on limited standards a power you genuinely want the Federal government to have?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 09:43 AM) I would say yes and he is delivering so far. It's the walks that make me want to throw the TV out the window and he's not giving up many. And I'd say he's walked something of a tightrope for 1/2 of both of his starts.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 09:41 AM) What if Hudson didn't give up a million walks and hits against KC last month? He would have had a great start! So, are you or are you not going to hold Jackson to a higher standard than Hudson?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 09:34 AM) Does anyone have the exact quotes from Ozzie this time? At ESPN, Ozzie's complaining about all the media attention the Twins are getting for coming to town, there's a quote from his wife wondering about whether Ozzie's "dating someone from Minnesota"...and then comments about the White Sox not getting enough respect and "not feeling the support" in Chicago. And then he is considering writing a book about this season and the miraculous comeback to contention behind his managerial style (this last line is my own hyperbolic comments, don't jump on Ozzie yet). Maybe you should get your team ready for the game rather than ranting to the Media, Oz. Your team lost a chunk of respect last night.

Worth noting that the Sox are now 4-5 since this rant got out?

Politifact link

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Aug 10, 2010 -> 09:10 PM) Yes, they do. Starts in 2011. Why doesn't Wired know about this?

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Aug 10, 2010 -> 11:52 PM) Gotta kind of agree with SoxFan here. Seems like you're way overanalyzing Edwin. I hate to see what happens when he gives up 5 earned in a game. Depends on how he gives them up. IMO, if you combine innings 1-3 against the Tigers and innings 4-6 against the Orioles, that's a 5 earned run game, all it would take is 1 hit to capitalize and blow it open. If you combine innings 4-7 against the Tigers and 1-3 against the Orioles, that's 7 shutout, 1-2 hit innings, and he's probably good to go for 8+ on that night. I want to see more of that middle-innings guy.

QUOTE (J.Reedfan8 @ Aug 10, 2010 -> 11:31 PM) Yea.. knew it was gonna happen (thought Phillips would get plunked first) but didn't think it would be a shouting match between him and Molina... and in the first inning none-the-less. If a lot of Reds get suspended, this would rank up there as one of the most interesting failures by a Dusty Baker coached team.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 10, 2010 -> 11:11 PM) EVERYONE across this board and baseball didnt think Thome had this production in him, and thats including the Twins. They thought we was a part timer, turns out he had one last season in the tank. Everyone on here last season thought he was done. They thought he was a part timer...They're using him like a part timer! The Sox could desperately use a part timer right now. There's nothing a priori wrong with using the DH spot to get people extra rest...the problem is putting guys there who genuinely don't belong there when everyone else on your roster doesn't need the rest.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 12:51 AM) I must have been the 1%. There's an awful lot of us in that 1%.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 12:45 AM) This is a funny line in the story. He's on a team that has a chance to make the playoffs. Is the writer trying to say the Sox don't have a chance? I mean I personally think the Twinks are gonna win the division by five or more games but the Sox are just one out now. Kind of a funny line. As far as Thome, there was so much hate for him on here last year. People were ready to move on. Now Kotsay/Jones was an awful replacement, but it was time to move on. Unfortunately for us, he beat us tonight and we still got 2 games to go this series. Thome may be the guy to help the Twins break the Yankee hex in the playoffs. His veteran bat/leadership might help them this time vs. New York. You know the sad thing? Part of the reason why some people (not me, I desperately wanted him back) justified wanting Thome gone was that his numbers tended to wear down as the season went on. You know what that might have been a symptom of? Ozzie playing him every bloody day unless he was hurt. When Ozzie had Thome on his roster, even when giving Thome an extra day off a week or so was the obvious move, Ozzie played him until he hurt, and then that wound up being part of the reason why we didn't bring Thome back...because he would wear down at the end of the season. Then what do we do? We decide we're going to go the route of making sure all of our guys get extra rest, by finding ways to move Quentin and Konerko to the DH spot more often. You know what that would have done? EXACTLY what the Twins have done with Thome!

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 10, 2010 -> 11:24 PM) This article just makes you shake your head....I can't believe he mentions the NL games as part of his justification for rotating DH. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,6226876.story Notice anything missing?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 04:18 AM) Because the Angels swooped in with $90M Thank Goodness we're not stuck with that contract.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 10, 2010 -> 10:19 PM) ERA almost under 4 Bah, he's been helped by the rest of the pen so much that you can't care about that number.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 10, 2010 -> 10:18 PM) I highly, highly doubt I was the only person that thought Garcia was a bad match-up vs the Twins tonight with this warm weather and Twins swinging the bats well. Unless he's just overly worn out, I don't know how any of those variables produces the performance we just saw...the sheer number of hanging breaking balls up around the hips...that doesn't seem like a logical outcome of warm weather to me.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 10, 2010 -> 10:15 PM) The last two years, Rios stole 56 bases and was caught 13 times. This year, he'd matched that total of caught stealing and only has 24 steals. Did anyone expect that, once he got on base with 2 outs in the first inning, there would be any other result other than a CS by him?

Did I see Linebrink at 97 there? At the rate his fastball is going up, he'll be throwing 102 by the end of September.

QUOTE (SAVVY18 @ Aug 10, 2010 -> 10:16 PM) Get Bobby in there to drill a Twinkie in the back. Send a message. "Haha, you might be able to play baseball, but we're mean!"

QUOTE (mcgrad70 @ Aug 10, 2010 -> 10:15 PM) And give us false hope he's ready to assume the closer role again? Let's just throw away the rest of the season as well as the game. Minnesota's confidence falls considerably after playing the Sox Especially with what we just saw from JJ...this team is just flat out better if they could work Jenks into workable shape again.