Balta1701

Oh Goodie. Everything I've read or heard about this thing since it was proposed is screaming "Horrible idea." Bottom to top.

You want me to prove my point about how damaging McCain's presence is? According to CNN, the McCain campaign is saying that the Senator will not attend tomorrow night's debate if no bailout deal is reached. How's that for putting negotiations under a gun?

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Sep 24, 2008 -> 02:48 PM) They are being paid to be Senators, they should go be Senators. This would be an important bill that they SHOULD vote on. No one is saying he shouldn't vote on it, or at least I'm not. But there's a difference between voting on it and jumping back to D.C. before the bill is even prepared.

QUOTE (Texsox @ Sep 24, 2008 -> 02:46 PM) Seems like you asked for a non political reason then shot it down with a bunch of political reasons. So give me a non political reason that the Senior Member from Arizona should not be in Washington for this, but some Jr. member from Idaho should? How are any of those other than #4 political reasons? By political reasons I meant something that would benefit him or change the results of the campaign. The rest directly impact the negotiations for this bill and do so in a way that I think makes the bill worse. The simple fact is, John McCain is running a presidential campaign while being a Senator. It is a balancing act, but the Senate will do its job better without him than with him until the point that a vote is taken. If he was on the banking committee or was one of the Senate leadership, I'd probably change my opinion there. But he isn't. By taking this action, he makes the negotiations about him rather than about putting together the best package. That's my biggest issue I'd say.

QUOTE (Texsox @ Sep 24, 2008 -> 03:34 PM) You asked for a non political reason why a Senator should be in Washington. If there are no valid reasons why a Senator should be in Washington, then why for over 200 years have we had "sessions" at every level of government? Let's turn it around, why shouldn't he be in Washington? Because: 1. He's trying out for a higher job and has scheduled events, most notably the debate. 2. He's not a key guy in any of the negotiations there 3. His presence dictates a timetable Specifically...let's hypothesize that this is an incredibly complex decision, which it should be for that kind of money. John McCain comes barreling in to town to try to save things. Now 98 other Senators are working to pass a bill on John McCain's timetable which says he can't spend the next 2 or 3 months in Washington holding hearings, he needs to be on the campaign trail. So suddenly now we have to have a bill written ASAP for $700 billion dollars. 4. His presence instantly makes the possibility of a bipartisan agreement on the bailout impossible, because now the Dems are going to respond by saying "Look, we don't want to put something out there that the other guy is going to claim credit for just because he's in the same city". I think #3 is the most important in my book. You want time to study the bill or hold hearings? John McCain just took that time away from you.

QUOTE (Texsox @ Sep 24, 2008 -> 02:15 PM) That's easy. The premise has to be that this is potentially a decision for the Senate to make. If there is going to be a vote on this issue, there will be many facets that need to be understood. For the Senator, any Senator, to be fully up to speed will take much time between now and the vote. The only way to have that amount of time is to suspend campaigning and start studying. Since his staff and advisers, and all the resources, are in Washington, he should be there. Further, while in reality it shouldn't't take 100 Senators to do this, Illinois and Arizona only send two Senators to Washington. Since we are the United States, each state should have equal representation in this matter. That only happens when they are all there. So, in reply, let me take up Senator Obama's perspective...as President, it's sort of expected that you'll be able to deal with more than one thing at once. 2 planes crash in to the WTC, and the next week you're trying to worry about the deep decline in the stock market. I can understand heading back to Washington if there's going to be an imminent vote, but that doesn't involve canceling appearances or the debate. In terms of studying the bill...if the bill is that complex that it needs a significant amount of study, then it shouldn't be written up and passed within a week. I'm sorry Tex, I just don't buy that explanation. No one seems to have a problem when the Patriot Act is pulled off the shelf, presented to people in the morning, and is passed with a 99-1 vote later in the day. If it's that important of a bill that it takes hours of study, and that it can only be done in Washington rather than through all of the various communications devices we have right now, when at the same time you have a fairly large taxpayer funded staff who's job it is to make these sorts of bills the things you can understand, studying the bill for days is the best you can give me?

QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Sep 24, 2008 -> 03:00 PM) The Chicago wind. On a cold

QUOTE (Texsox @ Sep 24, 2008 -> 02:41 PM) After reading the onslaught of pro Obama analysis I was hoping to write something in McCain's defense, but, I must say I am disappointed in McCain. Presidents and Candidates have have run for office under difficult situations throughout our history. I'm not fooled that he, or Obama, are so indispensable they just have to be in Washington, especially when the votes will be solidly down party lines. This doesn't seem like the McCain I thought was great in 2000 before getting screw over. It's starting to feel like Bob Dole. Thank you good and faithful servant, you can have the nomination. I was 51-49 McCain, but I'm losing confidence. I'm wondering if McCain is taking any leadership in his campaign, this just doesn't seem like McCain, or my image was not reality. In all seriousness...can someone explain to me a non-political reason why any of McCain's suggestions, suspending his campaign or cutting the debate, are good ideas and will actually help with the financial industry problems? How does bringing a Presidential campaign and its associated staff back to Washington along with 1 Senator who's not in charge of the negotiations or any key committees really help?

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Sep 24, 2008 -> 02:26 PM) Rumor is that the Republican congressional caucus has a total of four supporters for Paulson's plan. At this point, all we have are rumors. There are other rumors saying other things, like there's a plan 98% completed.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Sep 24, 2008 -> 02:35 PM) next to Jeeves who continued dancing

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Sep 24, 2008 -> 01:09 PM) Chuck Todd on MSNBC is saying that this bailout is being held up because of infighting in the Republican house caucus. Please HOLD IT UP LONGER.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Sep 24, 2008 -> 12:59 PM) Rep. Barney Frank told a group of reporters outside the House chamber: "It's the longest Hail Mary pass in the history of either football or Marys." Oh come on Barney, you're from New England, can't you work a Flutie reference in there?

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Sep 24, 2008 -> 12:43 PM) and she fainted 3 days later

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Sep 24, 2008 -> 12:28 PM) Me = Obama... here's what I do. Go to Washington. Work on the bailout. Work WITH McCain. Cancel all public events Thursday and Friday. Keep running ads, but NO attack ads. Debate Friday. Demand it be on the economy. Back to work on Saturday. Here's the problem with that idea. The bailout is horrible policy. Most polls show people don't like it. The stock market is hurting but isn't completely in the tank. Most people aren't stupid, they realize this. They saw other bubbles burst like in 2001 and know that we didn't spend a trillion dollars bailing things out then. Polling data pretty well confirms that. There's no reason this needs to be done during the pressure of a presidential election. The Fed still has $200 billion or so in reserves left, if they genuinely need more the Congress can authorize a much smaller buyout package to tide things over a little while longer and buy some time.

QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Sep 24, 2008 -> 12:36 PM) No, it's ran by guys who know econometrics and try to use math to more accurtely forecast polls. It's a million times better than listening to any talking head of TV. Actually, it's run by Nate Silver...from Baseball Prospectus.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Sep 24, 2008 -> 10:12 AM) MSNBC just reported that the Bush administration is accepting the "pay limits" on execs as part of the bailout. Damn. That dramatically increases the chance something will be passed. I hope that report is wrong.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Sep 24, 2008 -> 08:25 AM) Others, I think she knows her stuff but they don't want to have to sit there and defend every word she says. Another key part of it is that she just might not be familiar with some of the, let's say, "Code words" used by both sides to avoid actually stating their positions. Like how opposing abortion in the case of rape or incest becomes talking about a "Culture of life" or something like that.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 24, 2008 -> 08:52 AM) I don't know what his contract is, but Javy for Troy Glaus would definitely be a KW move. How many mitchell report guys has KW went for?

Bring your A game mark.

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QUOTE (DBAHO @ Sep 24, 2008 -> 08:08 AM) the old butler who danced a

QUOTE (Shadows @ Sep 24, 2008 -> 12:04 AM) I didn't overlook Arizona, but after they laid an egg against Washington they lost my respect Arizona is that remarkable team where for each of the last 10 years or so it's seemed like enough people have said "This is finally their year!" that I won't believe they're going to be drafting out of the top 10 until they reach the super bowl.

Really just had to post this one.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Sep 23, 2008 -> 07:54 PM) Hey now, us corn people are supporting your guy pretty staunchly. Which is in no small part because he's a pretty bad offender on the corn - ethanol myth, i'm sure

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Sep 23, 2008 -> 06:04 PM) those chanting MVP for Morneau are the same idiots in Minny that were chanting Palin like she s done something in her life Actually no they weren't. Very few people in attendance tonight would be RNC delegates.