Balta1701

Right now his fielding percentage is (slightly) worse than Marcus Semien's in his awful 2016 season where he was playing a position in the big leagues he had never been coached a until they brought in Washington. Anderson is absolutely promising, good range, but this is also really bad. Unacceptably bad. Something needs to be done differently, and if Anderson isn't being moved, then he needs better coaching and training.

The Cubs, the Astros, the Braves.

I think you destroy your chances of a strong IF defense by doing that. I could see giving up on Anderson, but Madrigal at SS, Moncada back to 2b? Rendon could be your only average IF defender.

Ok so how? Jose Iglesias? Didi Gregorius? Jordy Mercer? I guess Gregorius is an option, the others I guess are defensive upgrades but?

No because an extra base hit counts for both. If you had the same amount of walks and more extra base hits your OBP would go up also. Basically, getting on base (home to first) is more valuable than going from first to second on your own because someone else can move you from first to home once you're on base. If you're on first base or on 2nd base, you score on a home run no matter how slow you are, but if you're out, you don't score.

His OBP has dropped dramatically and being on base is more valuable for generating runs than slugging. OPS treats them equally by just adding; any system scaled to how productive you are cares about 1 point of OBP more than 1 point of slugging.

Just so someone points this out...Jose Abreu has the most ABs with RISP in the American League.

I cannot remember the last time I saw a team in the NFL being as aggressive in trades to improve their roster as Houston is being right now. Free Agency sure, but trading away all their draft picks to fill positions around their star QB?

That doesn't mean he wasn't providing solid feedback, that could equally mean that the org was not willing to listen to whatever he was offering.

Thread, not threat, sorry.

I don't have a quarrel with most of your other numbers but this one...the only way I think Betances signs for something like this is if he comes back and has an ERA of 5.5 or whatever and struggles through September and October. If teams are wondering if he's lost it, then his contract will wind up in this range (see: Kimbrel). If he comes back and has a dominant stretch run and playoff appearances, this is a league where Chapman got 5/$100 and Kenley Jansen got 5/$80 with an opt-out. If he shows it was just a one-time thing and you can still count on dominance from him, his money would be in that range.

Would a guy in this spot have had to give a "2 weeks notice" before leaving? Because 2 weeks ago was when Renteria told people to "F*** off" about analytics. If this threat happened the day after that rant, a lot of people would be wondering if they were connected.

All of those are possible and I admitted as such in my post. That's not what provoked my post responding to you. What drove it was that you said you could absolutely rule out that he was fired because they expected he would tell them they were doing everything right and he was fired when he didn't produce an analysis saying that. It "Doesn't make any sense", your words. You didn't bother replying to the paragraph where I explained how that possibility was one possible option, because your initial blanket statement that it "Doesn't make any sense" is a strong absolute that you can't back up. Suggesting all the other things it could be like you're doing in this post - any of them could be true and I acknowledged that, but listing those isn't what is necessary to support your blanket statement that one option is impossible. You're distracting right now because you came down hard in a way you can't back up.

Your first paragraph is one possible option - they changed their minds. They got feedback from analytics that said they were doing things wrong, and regardless of how it was presented their reaction was to close ranks and remove the person who gave them that feedback because they don't like it. In that case, they have decided that toeing the company line is more important than analytics, because they only want to hear that they are doing things right and will fire anyone who isn't a yes-man. You can obviously have a number of versions of that - maybe there were specific people who he clashed with by pushing those perspectives (maybe Renteria's F*** off was aimed square at him), maybe he wasn't gentle in how he pushed his perspective and that led to clashes, and sure maybe there was something else and we'll hear tomorrow about the terrible thing he did that cost him his job for other reasons. But you can't just scoff at it and say it's impossible that he got fired for doing his job based on the information we have right now, because sometimes poorly run companies want to fill themselves with yes-men and fire anyone who isn't.

They sold off international money this year to get rid of Nate Jones's contract, with no cap penalties and with an extra 2 years in the penalty box where they could have been preparing. That's a raffle ticket for a diamond giveaway and they gave it away to have someone cover their electric bill.

Which is why this was bizarre. Did he actually suffer a serious injury in spring training? There was never a "Jon Jay suffers serious hip injury" article. Did he come to spring training with that injury? If so, when did it happen? How on Earth did he get signed in December if he had a serious enough injury to knock him out for 2/3 of the season and force him onto the 60 day IL twice? Normally when a guy goes onto the IL you can write a "Jay suffered a serious injury today" article. If I was being my usual obnoxious self, I'd suggest that he had a serious, degenerative, surgery requiring condition at the end of last year, put it off, and the White Sox signed him without bothering to do a complete physical, either not doing it at all or glossing over important things to sign him because he was Machado's buddy. That version fits with how bizarre his IL stint was.

Sure it does. That doesn't mean it's right, but there's a hundred ways where that could be the reality.

Still the most bizarre injury situation I've ever seen. They signed him and he just seemed to show up hurt. He played a little in spring training but there was never a day where Jay got hurt, he just stopped playing and then suddenly was on the IL for 3 months.

I know we would like a LH bat, but if one doesn't become available (Alex Gordon, Kole Calhoun maybe?) then just sign someone, fill the position for a year or two, and see what becomes available next year. Maybe one of the youngins breaks out at AA/AAA and we have someone to try out. Maybe next year's draft pick is a collegeiate corner OF. Maybe we have more obvious trade options because someone breaks out who is blocked at the big league level. If we wind up with a RH hitting OF, and we get to the ALDS and face the Astros, and we lose because our lineup is very right handed and Verlander and Greinke shut us down, I can 100% guarantee my reaction will be "OMG YAY WE ACTUALLY MADE THE F***ING ALDS", it will not be disappointment. We can address lineup balance later as things develop.

I don't particularly want creative. Creative to me sounds like "Hey let's trade 3 guys for Jeff Samardzija, let's trade 3 guys to the Dodgers and then have the Dodgers send guys to the Reds so we get Frazier, and let's trade an international signing we've never seen play for James Shields and we even get money coming back wow what a steal!". Just go sign guys to fill the positions we have. Money is the White Sox's biggest resource right now because they have so little committed next year. There's no reason why they need to trade guys away in creative deals rather than just going out and signing guys for money.

Let's just say our goal is not to be them and the less spoken of them the better.

I did not know we could write headlines this long in the forum.

Soto's a year behind Moncada for free agency and even though Soto's a super-2 player, there's got to be some extra money for Moncada hitting FA first. So let's say Soto's offer right now was 10/$180 - that might put Moncada at 10/$195 as a comparable contract. If the White Sox were willing to put that on the table I'd say 50/50 on whether or not Moncada accepts. You'd at least be in the ballpark.

Moncada has 4 years remaining before FA, 3 arb years that should on their own bring him to just under $50 million conservatively if he's an all start. To get to $170 million from there we're talking about 4 years on top of that, so for Moncada that money would justify an 8 to 9 year deal. Would people offer Moncada that money and years right now? If we're talking well into the 9 figures then I'd be convinced we have something that he might sign. The trick with Moncada is he has basically no need to give up 1 year of free agency for security like Eloy did because of the big signing bonus, but if the team is willing to buy out his entire career based on this season he might go along with that.

Ironically, the last playoff game for both the chicago white sox and the tampa bay bucks was in 2008.