Balta1701

He's this racist.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 23, 2017 -> 03:30 PM) Because giving something for nothing is not a good idea. The whole tax structure is to generate revenue for the government. If you give something from one, you need to take it from another. The premise should be to create more full time jobs for everyone. i like the idea someone put out about linking tax cuts to businesses having certain numbers of 40hrs/week jobs, not the "new" full time of 30hrs/week many are doing. These need to be done in a way to encourage businesses to stay in the US and thrive here. Look at Illinois for example. So many people are leaving the state that Illinois dropped down from 5th to 6th. We need to find a way to keep people and businesses to stay to build the tax base not decreases it. People have been leaving northern states since the invention of this thing called "air conditioning".

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 23, 2017 -> 12:54 AM) The Sox did well on their players because they were signed to cheap contracts. You can't get top talent in exchange for a $300M player on a $300M contract. So the question is - is it worth it to your team to win those game that year? For the Marlins, clearly no. It is not worth that money to them to win games next year, or the year after.

QUOTE (Brian @ Dec 22, 2017 -> 01:46 PM) Hopefully he jumps I'm generally not ok with this no matter how odious a person is.

Today's edition of the best people, former Republican Rep. from Michigan Pete Hoekstra, now our ambassador to the Netherlands, getting called out by a dutch reporter for being a standard hateful liar. He called it fake news, was shown the clip of him saying that, then said he never called it fake news. Truly we're not sending our best.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 22, 2017 -> 12:07 PM) Yeah. I’m honestly just feels weird to trade Eaton only to trade for a controlled OFer with talent (meaning prospects) a year later In a year or two, Kopech and Jiminez could easily each rise up to be worth as much as Yelich on their own. Patience is the biggest strength we have now.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 22, 2017 -> 10:46 AM) again, this is where we disagree. Maybe there isn't a purely fair system to do it. Is it fair in your eyes that over the last 30 years the share of income and the share of wealth for the top 0.1% has gone up while both have gone down for the remaining 90% of the population?

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 22, 2017 -> 10:35 AM) no doubt, which is why they pay the most taxes. and far, far less than they should be paying.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 22, 2017 -> 10:25 AM) Or worse if they go the CGI character route... They said quite loudly they wouldn't do that when she died.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 22, 2017 -> 10:14 AM) Good for them. They earn 12% of the total income and pay 25% of all tax revenue. They also hold approaching 25% of all wealth in this country (comparable to the bottom 90% as of 2013 and probably greater than them by now).

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 22, 2017 -> 10:22 AM) "Hahn was going to offer only what he saw as expendable for the better of the franchise, and if that was Lucas Giolito and/or Dylan Cease, then it would have been worth it." I'm pretty certain that Soxtalk would hate the idea of giving up both Giolito and Cease for only one guaranteed season of Machado. Cease is a guy the Sox really should get a better look at in 2018 to see what they have in him. Giolito may not have #1 starter upside, but I don't think he is far off being a solid #3 with 6 seasons of control left. Machado is certainly the prize and the piece that the Sox rebuild is gunning for, but if the O's won't deal him there is nothing we can do. I can confidently say I'd have hated it the most, but if RH wound up with Machado signed long term I'd understand it. If RH did that and Machado wound up in pinstripes in 2019 I'd be bringing it up in so many threads that everyone here would hate the deal because they're sick of reading how bad it was and how RH should have been fired for it.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 10:47 PM) Not according to the IRS. Look at the tax revenue collected table on their website. The last data was from 2015. There were 150,493,263 submissions. Only 99,012,731 submissions were considered to have "taxable income" Of those 1,320,338 made 500,000 or more. The tax collected made up 25.1% of all taxes collected. That means 1.3% of the people who paid taxes paid 25% of all tax revenue. If you look at all submissions, that .01% of all people who submitted taxes, paid for 25% of all tax revenue. They may hide a great deal of taxable income but they are still paying a a vast amount more than others. The top 0.1% also earn >12% of total national income, and their share is doing this:

Oh my.

QUOTE (Soxnfins @ Dec 22, 2017 -> 08:57 AM) It's too bad Cain was offered a QO (knew he was going to), but I think he'd be a nice piece in CF us, allowing Rutherford & Luis Robert to develop. Honestly, if we traded Avi, wouldn't be a bad option, but I know we will not go for him. Play the kids

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 06:03 PM) Davish to the Cubs? Musta missed how the Fukudome stuff went down.

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 05:03 PM) The problem is Hahn didn't think he could sign him in FA, hence trying to woo him first. The Sox will not overpay for him because the Big Boys are gearing up for FA and will bid to the moon. I think 5 or 6 teams will offer him almost the same contract. The Cubs, Dodgers, Yankees, and Red Sox will ultimately win his services as they have the money and ready made teams. The White Sox are going to go into next season sitting there with a team payroll of

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 04:07 PM) Why would Manfred know about the daily operations of one of the owners? Because that owner had just pitched Manfred and the other owners on what he would do if his group was chosen to buy the team.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 02:17 PM) See I think it's do or die for Cordell and Delmonico to establish themselves as every day players in the first 3 months. There are tiers to prospects and some dont have the luxury to develop at MLB level because they are older and required more development in minors. Then they have to be playing almost every day to start the year. See the issue? We have one too many OFs to make this work. We could really use Garcia's spot to play both of them. Or remove Davidson to clear the DH spot. Or something.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 03:06 PM) But doesn't this seem manageable even with Avi? I think we can find plenty of ABs even if all stay healthy. It does - that's 5 guys for 3 positions, not counting the DH. The problem is Jiminez. He will not be down for long and he will not be a part time player when he comes up. Someone will have to leave from that group after 2 months because Jiminez is taking one of those starting positions. So who only gets 2 months as a part time player to sink or swim?

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 02:51 PM) I mean it seemed the FO wanted to have a look at Tilson last year not sure his health status. Creating some space would also give the FO the chance to evaluate some of the older guys Cordell. I mentioned September for that reason but I don't think you can really keep any of those guys down if they are playing well in AA. Which I suspect one of them will. I mean there is just so much depth organizationally when it comes to OF including Basabe who I didn't even mention. I don't think any of the names you mentioned/that I bolded will even start the season at AA. I'd call it a successful year if any of them got there, frankly. Adolfo is probably on a path to Winston-Salem, High-A ball, after spending last year in low-A, Hahn says Winston Salem or even maybe starting at Kannapolis for Robert, Rutherford was crap at Kanny last year and so I'd guess he may start there this year; getting to W-S would be a strong sign for him.

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 02:40 PM) If the Giants need two OF maybe you include Leury Garcia. I mean the other problem with holding onto Garcia is at some point you are going to callup Eloy he's probably already ready. Probably one of Rutherford or Robert or Adolfo gets called up as well. How much value are these guys going to have at that point? I'll answer none. If you get a good deal you move them. Find a placeholder to hold the fort until September. None of those 3 should sniff the big leagues this year. The thing who should not be named will be called up pretty early. Aside from him though, we've got Leury, Cordell (if healthy), Engel (can he hit at all?), and Delmonico at the very least, maybe with more guys than that, who it would be nice to get PAs for. Hopefully one of them sets themselves apart early and this is easy, but if Garcia is there, even counting the DH spot (where we might want to play both Davidson and Gillaspie), we've got 6 big league level ballplayers and only 3-4 spots.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 02:16 PM) I am certain that we will for a big main reason: Real actual continued depression of veteran corner OF/1b market Do I see that turning? not really. Let's see what happens to Martinez and Hosmer. You could darn well be right and post-Cespedes the market for any OF who isn't an MVP candidate could be on the verge of collapse, and that would include both of our guys.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 02:06 PM) okay let's play some game theory. - We trade Avi Garcia now in a terrible sellers market for a 50 FV, 22 year old average speed light armed outfielder and pray that he finds power or an arm. - We hold Avi and he sucks, and we have to hope that Alex Call fills the void for 22 year old average speed light armed outfielders. We non-tender Avi. - We hold avi and he's great, and we trade him for maybe the same sort of outfielder or a backend starter. - We hold avi and he's great, and he stays great and then he leaves at FA - We hold avi and he's great and stays great and then we re-sign him. I look at all of these and see very little difference between the first 3 bullets to care. I choose door number 4 where we just get more time to evaluate, knowing that I risked very little. We risked a lot holding on to Quintana and it paid off. We risk very little holding onto Abreu and Avi. I'm just not threatened by the stakes. Then my one remaining question is - are we confident that, after 2019, we have the resources available to replace Garcia and Abreu? Because that's my main issue. This team is going to look like a force going into 2020. But, if our 1b and corner OF, and the #4 and #5 hitters in our lineup depart as free agents, a team that should look like a force is going to be trying to plug holes rather than trying to get better. I'm uncertain whether or not we will. In that case, the one thing your math is missing is - playing Avi prevents us from playing and developing potential replacements for Avi.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 01:50 PM) Let me ask a question...do people think our actual corporate tax rate was appropriate? Staying away from individuals for a second, do we think Corporations are taxed appropriately? This is somewhat of a loaded question because some of this is dependent on what industry the Corporation is in? God no. It was a disaster of a statutory rate that was too high and way too many deductions for everything. If you owned a good set of lobbyists, you could make it so that the bigger your company was, the smaller the tax rate you paid. We fixed the statutory rate that was too high and opened even more gaping holes with this bill. It basically fixes the problem of anyone who is incorporated having to pay taxes. If you're a believer in helping small businesses grow, this bill is a major obstacle now as big businesses now have a much larger tax advantage. The "simplification" part, the part where we're wasting huge amounts of resources on finding tax loopholes - that actually was made worse by this bill.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 12:51 PM) Ramos is the only giant that is remotely interesting to me. His highlight film at the draft was awesome. Maybe you want a light power, weak armed CF prospect in Bryan Reynolds? Some slow, poor OBP outfielders? It's ramos and a bunch of questionable SP that are likely BP arms. blech. If we're not going to extend Garcia, are we going to get better than that at the deadline? Maybe if he's on fire the first half again, but the tiniest slump in the first half or a minor injury and that's better than anything we'll get for him next offseason.