clujer420

Didn't we slaughter Traber the other day? I know we atleast beat him. 7/13 vs. CWS, Traber did the following... 6 IP, 4 ER, 8 hits, 3 walks, 6 strikeouts. He got a no decision in a game that the Sox eventually won 7-4.

If this goes to trial, it won't be on Court TV. This will be as big if not bigger than the OJ case, and will be on every major network channel (ABC, CBS, FOX) until it's over.

I work nights, and talk radio is all I really listen to after 11 PM, and I'm already getting sick of this case, and it isn't even a case yet. We're 3 days into it. By August 6, so much crap is going to have been said that we won't know what's going on.

By what I've heard, the movie was ordered at around 12:30. Supposedly, she was out of the room by that time. If so, I find it odd (and hard to believe) that Kobe would rape someone, then sit back and enjoy a movie. It'll be interesting to find out what genre of movie it was.

So IN THEORY, a girl could have sex with a guy, hit herself in the leg with a bat, cry rape, and then the guy could be charged with 3rd degree sexual assault?

And according to what I've read, she was off-duty at 11 pm, and went to his room at around 11:15. She was making a delivery alright.

That definition seems AWFULLY broad. How do they define "wounds"? Is a scratch on the arm considered a "wound"? How about a broken finger? It would seem to me that the "wound" would have to be quite severe, since it's mentioned in the same breath as "maim", "brutally beat", and "endangers the life of the victim".

"Gotta go, see ya bud"? Whatta dad, LOL.

If I had to pick 1 athlete and bet everything I own that he would never be charged with rape or commit adultery, it would have been Kobe. I'm still pretty shocked that this whole thing is happening, and I'm extremely disappointed in him. It just goes to show you that even the seemingly perfect have their flaws.

.............. not quite sure what you mean, but are you saying that you think she went up to his room for a reason OTHER than for sex?

4 days ago, you probably would have said that Kobe would never cheat on his wife, but he admitted to doing so in front of the world. Anything is possible at this point.

Rape = forcing someone to have sex against their will. And Kobe is not in legal trouble for the adultery...he's been charged with 3rd degree sexual assault. By my understanding, that's just what Colorado calls it. For all intents and purposes, it's rape.

There is no other reason. She obviously went there for sex -- there must be some mighty strong evidence of rape for this to get as far as it has gotten.

Was the Kobe verdict read today? Did I miss something?

1995 murder case-OJ. I was little so I am wondering this. What was the settlement on the OJ situation? $33M.

I suppose you're right -- until I'm in a situation, I don't know for sure how I'd react. But, I know myself better than anyone, and I'm pretty certain how I would handle various scenarios. I don't think there's much of anything that could happen to me that would ruin me for an extended period of time. I'm kinda jaded.

exactly. that's what i didn't find it surprising when steff said 47% of them go unreported. i am no expert, i don't pretend to be, but apparently many victims just want to try and forget it ever happened. that, or they think nobody will believe them, or the perpatrator will try and hurt them again. the only thing that makes me wonder, is considering the severe emotional damage that occurs with rape, how could she go on vacation right after it happened? i'm not saying i don't believe her, because i don't know either way, but that seems a little out of character for a rape victim. but like i said i know very little. Spiff, as I heard it.. she went to the hospital, the rape test was administered, the police were called and a statement was given, etc... The next day her and her family left town. Who knows if it was a "vacation" or more getting the hell out of dodge before the s*** it the fan and media was all over their front lawn. If it were me.. I would have gotten the hell out of there. She went to the hospital around noon the next day, 12 hours later...is that correct?

The evidence is there. You not only have witness statements, you have forensic evidence as well. No evidence, no trial. And trust me when I say this..... in dealing with states attorneys in the past and their precious "conviction rates" that they hold so dear to themselves..... felony criminal charges are never filed in cases of rape unless you have plenty of evidence pointing to a violent incident that was non-consensual. "Non-consensual" being key. A lot can happen between now and August 6. We'll all just have to wait and see what happens. If nothing else, "Kobegate" is making for some good discussion around here!

People with strong mental states of mind don't have it broken down. My mental state of mind gets tested on a regular basis, as does everyone's -- but like most others, I am able to deal with the obstacles in my life. And being of sound and strong mind, I wouldn't allow anyone to victimize me in such an abhorent way.

oj could afford to buy his way out and did....i sat through months of watching that trial on court tv......despite the lapd being a mass bunch of clowns they did have enough evicence to put his ass away.... if it had been an average joe who couldnt afford that dream team believe me they would have been in the pokey......... All it takes is ONE mishap to create rumblings of "doubt". Furhman, Vanatter (sp?).. they are the SOLE reason OJ is not in prison today. Idiots. 7 words -- "If it doesn't fit, you must acquit". If not for that event, OJ would be sitting in a jail cell right now (or standing, depending on if Bubba has gotten to him recently).

IMO, not reporting a rape is the stupidest thing you can do. Knowing that monster is out there possibly and likely doing the same thing to other women when they maybe could have done something to put him away....I don't see how ANYONE could allow themselves to be victimized like that and just look the other way.

True, they did make an example out of Tyson. However, that was like 10 years ago and by the looks of all the athletes that are getting themselves in trouble with the law, a new message needs to be sent. Plus, Tyson had the image of being a bad boy, so it wasn't very shocking when the rape allegations came forward. The Kobe allegations, on the other hand, were extremely shocking.

That's the 2nd time in 10 minutes that you've said that. Did someone here say that she deserved it?

Guilty or innocent, they've gotta make an example out of an athlete sooner or later.

I'm not likening you to a rapist. I'm likening you and your thinking about this girls past and it's "relevancy" to this case to the majority of guys I have come across in rape cases. Tell me this..... What does this girls past, and what she has done in the past, have to do with what happened in that hotel room THAT NIGHT? If there's clear cut evidence of rape, her past is completely irrelevant. But, if the evidence isn't clear cut, it's going to be a "he said, she said" battle, and if this woman has skeletons in her closet like trying to kill herself earlier this year (does that not show mental instability and possibly severe psychological issues????), that is not going to bode well for her. Kobe may have some skeletons as well (it's quite possible he's slept with other women while being married, and that won't help his case), but we'll have to wait and see what happens. If the evidence isn't there, it's going to become a credibility issue, and I don't think that the girl stands a chance if some of the reports that have been coming out are true. Especially since they have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.