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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 11:55 AM) Not that you're insinuating this, but why do SOME feel it would behoove us to stop booing and that would make him hit better? Farmer has already hinted at this. "The booing doesn't help." Cheering him as he whiffs three consecutive times against Livan Hernadez and his 72 MPH FB would help? The guy is paid mega bucks to produce. That's what this sport of baseball is. He has been terrible at every aspect of this sport. And the thing is, he only gets paid to do one thing: Hit fricking HRs. It's not April 19th. It's not May 8th. It's not May 29th. It's not June 25th. July 1 is right around the corner. How many more 0/4, 3 K games must occur before this guy can be classified as a bust, for this year, anyway? I have no problem with those that choose to keep the faith. No problem. Just no more shots taken at the fanbase because he's getting booed. He deserves every bit of it. It's not specific to our fanbase either. EVERY fanbase in the sport would be riding him, and I'm willing to bet that quite a few would be worse. And I mean much worse.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 08:51 AM) That's 19 more places than in the entire middle east. Which Middle East country outlaws discrimination against homosexuals?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 08:51 AM) Both Felix and I enjoyed the premier. ?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 10:52 AM) I can think of one person who said that, and he was mocked mercilessly. if anyone else did say that, i want to see proof. I know a couple of people said it in passing. Very few, like I said, and I don't recall any of them being everyday posters.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 10:53 AM) I actually read it as the exact opposite. It seemed to be both, actually. The second paragraph looked to be throwing Ozzie under the bus, while the third paragraph said it was a team decision. Going by many of his recent quotes, I'm thinking that KW meant what he said in the second one and threw the third one in there as a way of coming off diplomatic.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 10:30 AM) Thank you. It's no big secret that Dunn has kinda sucked, but to actually use that to go back to his contract being a major fail on Kenny's part is pretty lame. The offer he got was pretty much market value and with very few exceptions, there were really not many people here or in the media who had any problems with it. Arguing that no one else would have given him such a contract and that KW was competing against himself is pretty short-sighted and laughable. OK, while I agree with you guys in that I thought it was a good signing for a reasonable price, there were definitely people saying the opposite. They were in the minority for sure, but they existed. You can't just say "hindsight is 20/20" to anybody who mocks the signing, as they could very well be one of the people who was saying it from the beginning.

QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 09:49 AM) This is maddening. KW needs to put his big boy pants on and release Pierre. If he can't do that, resign. I agree, but I don't think he has enough class and his ego is much too big to just resign. He's going to fight it out (just as Ozzie does/would) until one or both of them is fired.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 09:03 AM) More KW quotes: It must be getting pretty uncomfortable under that bus for Ozzie.

QUOTE (103 mph screwball @ Jun 28, 2011 -> 07:26 AM) I want KW back. I can forgive the Jackson trade because he has had many successful moves such as Santos, Humber, Danks, and so on. I would replace Ozzie before KW to find out if a different manager who uses voodoo mumbo jumbo like statistics would be able to better use the players that KW brings it. They should have replaced Walker 3 years ago to find out if the offensive problems could be solved. I feel that KW would have fired both Walker and Ozzie a long time ago if it wasn't for JR. I feel KW would be an even better GM if JR would let him run the show. The only way to know for sure is to boot Ozzie and let KW have a couple more years with a manager of his choice. I agree with everything in this post, except the highlighted part. If anything, he should get 2012 with a new manager. Anything beyond that would depend on the 2012 performance.

There is usually a problem every year with opening our pool, sometimes small and sometimes bigger. It went pretty smoothly this year.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 06:59 PM) A lot of it has been changed around, but a constant seems to be that he is very old(like, 130 years old), Sabretooth is his half brother, he has served in multiple wars, and the process to become Weapon X is what caused his amnesia, not because he was shot in the head with an adamantium bullet. He also lived as a feral human for a long time. So Origins was basically right on, besides the bullet thing?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 05:15 PM) I dont really think that is a theory that is in play here. It is an origin story, this is how it was told. I dont think the directors are trying to outcompete the X-Men cold war story by coming in with the Nazis. Also, it is hard to put Thor/Captain America in the same conversation as the green lantern. the primary goal of Green Lantern is to get the DC Universe more exposure to characters outside of Batman and Superman(with which Batman is really the only true successful franchise at this point). Thor/Captain America has a much bigger goal, to introduce these characters into a much bigger storyline as well as establish their own identities as tentpole franchises like they did with Iron Man, and like they keep trying to do with the Hulk. In regards to the saturation point with lesser comics, there are complete hits(hellboy) and complete misses(watchmen). A lot of it has to do with the material. Watchmen is an incredibly difficult story to bring to the theatre, there was a lot of the story that was either wrapped up quickly or completely left out altogether. It also didnt help that there was some really shoddy acting(Malin Ackerman, im looking at you). I think one thing that either lets a director succeed or makes him fail is the amount of artistic liberties taken with the subject material. These characters have very well defined back stories, and comic book nerds KNOW what these stories are. You cannot just make up Wolverines history and expect everyone to like it. What IS Wolverine's back story? Like a quick recap.

QUOTE (hawksox13 @ Jun 27, 2011 -> 03:12 PM) I want Viciedo up just as much as everyone else. But because the Sox (for some unknown reason) didn't bring him up a month or so ago, it really does make the most sense at this point to hold off for five more days. At that point it won't cost the Sox one of his arbitration years. I'm not saying he shouldn't have been brought up sooner, just saying because they waited this long, might as well wait five more days and then pull the trigger. I have actually been wanting to say this for about a week. As much as it doesn't make sense, it sort of does make sense.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jun 26, 2011 -> 09:47 AM) Ozzie and Kenny have been together since 2004. In '04 they had season ending injuries to their two best hitters in late May and still ended up with a very competitive record. They never led. In '05, we all know what happened. In '06, I will concede that a 12-17 september was a choke job. In '07, they tanked very early. In '08, they won the division. In '09, they were never close to first place late in the season. In '10 they obviously choked down the stretch. So to be clear, when you say "will do the same thing they've done many times before and choke down the stretch" - you're referring to the '06 and '10 seasons only? We have two seasons where they "choked down the stretch", and two seasons in which they made the playoffs, one of which was winning the world series. Yet you favor one over the other so much you are boycotting the team. Seems like a really extreme position to have. They play badly in August/September. That's how I should've phrased it. I'm pretty sure they even did it in 2008, but the division was so bad that they still managed to win.

QUOTE (SleepyWhiteSox @ Jun 25, 2011 -> 03:15 AM) Just don't be an obnoxious, annoying douche when stating your opinions. It REALLY is that simple. I would hope that the people slinging insults like this in the thread about strengthening the rules are being at least warned.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 05:47 PM) Hyperbole is speaking in absolutes with no basis in or proof of fact. "Talking out of your ass." He was stating his opinion and reason for a boycott. Thank you, sir.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 05:46 PM) Hopefully that won't happen Milk and if it does - then it'll make for more conversation at that time. Currently thou, it's all just speculation that we've been over again and again... so why not focus on present day? Here's to sweeping Washington and getting within 3.5 or 2.5 games. It starts today. ( Hopefully ) I would love it if they just continued this season with a different manager starting tonight.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 02:11 PM) If this isn't hyperbole, I don't know what is. This team is 4.5 games out, and climbing. If they don't make the playoffs this season, I agree that changes need to be made. It boggles the mind that you would boycott this team as they continue to gain ground in the division. It can't possibly be hyperbole, as it's what I'm actually doing. And I'm doing it because, despite their climbing, I am very confident that they will do the same thing they've done many times before and choke down the stretch or, at the very worst, make the playoffs with a weak record and get booted. This would result in Ozzie and KW keeping their jobs for another few years. I firmly believe that that is the worst thing for the organization moving forward. We've been over this.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 02:17 PM) I'm assuming he's referencing Ortiz, and to my knowledge there's been nothing but rumor associated with him. Yes, Ortiz. Apparently he failed a drug test back in 2003, according to Google. Other than that, I guess it's just all rumors, but I think it's fairly obvious.

QUOTE (Nokona @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 02:14 PM) It's either that or he plays coy for the next month, constantly flirting with the rules and being an even more pain in the ass than usual. This is the stuff I was talking about earlier, mods.

QUOTE (Nokona @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 02:10 PM) Just ban J4L. He wants to play the martyr, it's plainly obvious. The rule is a death sentence for him. It's for the better. At least you're being honest in your opinions.

As people have said repeatedly, nobody is above suspicion. QUOTE (Real @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 12:27 PM) its pretty obvious Pena was juicing in texas, that organization seems to be a safe haven for drug use, and not just PEDs... Peña began juicing in Boston, which is also a haven for drug use. It's turned at least one guy's career around...

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 01:52 PM) Cmon guys we're all a family here. A dysfunctional one, for sure, but still a family. And yes, we have a few black sheep as well (J4L, Milkman, Greg, etc) but can't we all just get along? I would have never in a million years thought that I'd be lumped in with Greg

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 11:10 AM) Greinke and AJ grew up near each other, and ever since then, they've had problems. Remember when Greinke hit AJ 2 or 3 times in 1 game, and then AJ hit a HR and said something to him? I can honestly say that I don't remember this at all.

I didn't want to muddy up the emphasis of the Hyperbole thread, so I figured I'd take this here. QUOTE (Bighurt52235 @ Jun 24, 2011 -> 01:11 PM) I'm the most cynical person I know, in regards to how I feel about people, but the White Sox are the one area of my life where I love and support unconditionally. That's fine and dandy, but the problem arises when you defend every little thing the team does and never hold them accountable for the mistakes that they make. Many of us feel that quite a few people do just that on this site. As fans, our job is to support the team financially. Our only tool to keep the team in line when it's going in the wrong direction is to cut off that support. It's something I'm doing right now. I refuse to buy another ticket until some changes are made, namely removing Ozzie and likely KW. I'd stop watching the games entirely, but I just don't have the heart for that. Supporting them financially no matter what they do is, IMO, a terrible mistake. That's what happened with the Cubs over the last 20 years. It's like having a kid that you never discipline. When a teacher tells you he did this and that in class, you say "not my son" and continue to let him do whatever he wants. One day that kid's going to end up in jail. That's the best metaphor I can come up with off of the top of my head. We, as fans, can't allow the team to continue to waste money and to depend on inept management or else they will run the franchise into the ground or at least continue to put a mediocre product on the field.