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QUOTE (Real @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 09:33 PM) lol, really? http://twitter.com/#!/ozzieguillen I never twitter at all.

QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 08:22 PM) Any fluent Spanish speakers in the house? Ozzie just tweeted about fifteen f***ing times in Spanish over the last ten minutes. Yes. What's the link?

So, if you make changes for the better and try to improve your team, you're a big f***ing moron that everyone will believe is panicking and nobody will be confident in your ability to manage.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 05:48 PM) I really don't think that'll happen this year. I think 2nd place = a management overhaul. That's what "all in" meant to me more than anything else. That's what I took it as, sort of, but I'll believe it when I see it.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 03:13 PM) Nice, I can't wait to see the Sox blow it in September against the Central. Per the usual. That's the thing. They will stay in it for quite some time. It's what they do, just enough to lose but also just enough that everyone keeps their jobs.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 11:43 AM) But there would have been a signficant group of people...led by me if no one else, who wanted to give him time, because rookies who are scared and trying to throw the perfect pitch every time out tend to work things out in a year or two. Na, those three games (one of which was good) were plenty to write off his entire career. Hudson must have said something derogatory about Oney or hung out with McCarthy a few years ago.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 11:40 AM) If Hudson had struggled after the "non-trade" like you suggested earlier, I have no doubt that is exactly what would have happened. I wonder what would have happened if he lit the world on fire, as he actually did after the trade.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 11:37 AM) Considering a lot of us on here believe heavily in the AL vs NL influence, I highly doubt "Edwin Jackson is a real pitcher" was a common belief on here. Yes, the guy has somehow gotten better since coming back to the AL (which is still worse than Hudson has done in the majors).

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 11:36 AM) Right, because Soxtalk never looks back on trades and freaks out. The problem is that you're saying the exact opposite, that they would freak out had they not acquired Jackson.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 11:34 AM) If Hudson were struggling here, absolutely they would. Ah, OK. I forgot you have the ability to see things that could have been. I guess the only thing we have to go on is their performances up to this point. I wonder who has been better in that regard?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 11:30 AM) And everyone would be b****ing about us missing an opportunity to trade for a real pitcher when we could have won the division. Really? People would be saying that Edwin Jackson is a real pitcher? Besides his short stint with the Sox and one season a few years ago, he's been nothing but mediocre or bad.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 11:21 AM) That is all that Cooper preaches. I'm guessing the other part of Hudson getting traded is that he wasn't listening. Then he gets dealt and figures out it might be a good idea to start listening. Haha, and if they kept him he'd just be a young guy struggling. If they traded Beckham, it'd be the same thing for him. So since Hudson was traded, he automatically gets the same reputation as McCarthy or Anderson.

QUOTE (Pale Sox @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 11:47 PM) If anything, Rios' immense talent makes me like him less. Someone like Pierre would kill for that kind of natural talent. Rios annoys me infinitely more than Pierre because he represents wasted talent, which pisses me off. But the reality is that Rios DOES own that talent and upside, and unlike Pierre, he can play CF. Pierre is a one and a half tool player that no longer has one and a half tools. He's just about as useless as a player can get. I don't dislike him, but he's doing nothing but hurting this team. He NEEDS to go. He's the worst player on the team, and he's getting more at bats and playing time than anybody. The lunacy of that boggles the mind. For the life of me, I can't understand how this isn't constantly talked about by local sports writers. It's just so unfathomably stupid. It's crazy to think that everyone knows it, but nobody is saying anything.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 16, 2011 -> 09:57 AM) Since 2007, the Pirates are 2-34 (.056) at Miller Park I want to not believe that.

QUOTE (supernuke @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 09:54 PM) Bettman is hated in Canada he is going to get booed. They are cheering the Boston players. I'm hardly a hockey fan, but can someone explain to me why they hate him?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 04:27 PM) Lew Ford YES! Although, I'm pretty sure Lew Ford hit about .700 against us.

QUOTE (qwerty @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 03:52 PM) I did not like the trade from day one. There are those of you currently saying '' ya right... how could someone not have liked the peavy acquisition''. I liked the idea of adding a great pitcher... but not with all the risks involved. Don't believe me, take a gander at the past if needed. I have never been one that thinks it's wise to pay a player 15 million plus for several years, going from the national league to the american league, on top of going from one of the worst hitting parks... to one of the very best? Acquiring peavy was a good deal of money for a team that more often than not cries poor... plus they picked up rios to boot? Nothing surprises me anymore after they desperately picked up manny ramirez... just to sit him... to keep him rested?!? Yuck. How about the funky mechanics of his? He puts a ton of stress on himself, very violent delivery, easily one of the worst in the game. Only a matter of time until his blows that arm of his into 374,981 pieces. His career will end much sooner, rather than much later, i'm very confident in that. I said the same thing about jenks... two... two and a half years ago... and i stand by it. Remember him last year? Like him this year? I don't give him much past his contract with the red sox. I don't doubt that peavy still has the ability to pitch well, when he does pitch, but come on, 75-125 innings a year is clearly not gonna warrant his contract. I feel safe in saying peavy will be lucky to ever reach 175 innings. I can't wait until his albatross ass is sent out of town. Edwin jackson for daniel hudson was another joke... which i absolutely hated. No one likely remembers, but i'm pretty certain j4l hates the trade as much as he does because of what i posted the day the trade happened. Hated it then. Hate it more now. Likely will hate it even more once the season ends. This is clearly a very played out topic, but i have practically not said a word about it since day one. The time has come... and now gone. Best of wishes to jake peavy pitching 100 innings this year! I'm just gonna go ahead and nominate that last sentence as joke of the year. Haha, I saw you lurking and have been waiting for your post. QUOTE (MAX @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 03:52 PM) If there weren't guaranteed contracts, there would be sickeningly large signing bonuses. In both, there is mutual agreement by both parties that the future is uncertain. Just out of curiosity, what did you think of this deal when it was made? I was fairly uneasy with it, but happy it happened. I'm pretty sure I had the same reaction. EDIT: I just went back and looked. I basically said that if he's healthy, it's great.

Anybody want to bump some of the old Wood/Prior injury threads?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 03:37 PM) There's a tie-link between about 3 of those injuries though. First, the ankle running to first. While rehab starting, ball off the elbow. Mechanics screwed up...shoulder pops. Spends offseason rehabbing, takes some time doing so, had to work through scar tissue, etc. You take out that one ankle injury and it might well be that no one is thinking he's injury prone. This sounds like the same things we heard for Prior. Let's face it, I think it's pretty safe to have misgivings about how clean Peavy is.

QUOTE (MAX @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 03:32 PM) Well that's where you are wrong. He earned the money for that contract before ever throwing a pitch for the white sox. I dislike that logic Then again, that's my biggest gripe with baseball. You get a lot of Adrian Beltre's, Carl Pavano's, and AJ Burnett's having a career year when it's time to grab a contract and then disappear with guaranteed money. Oh, and I also believe that KW deserves to be fired for many things (including acquiring Peavy), in response to your earlier statement. QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 03:33 PM) Actually started in '08. He's been on the DL at least once every year since then. Thank you, sir.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 03:30 PM) And yet when he tries to do something to help the team, people go ballistic. I assume you mean when he supposedly tried to pitch through the groin injury. I never said a word about that. I'm just tired of the injuries.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 03:29 PM) That's just it. Players do emerge and change. Peavy's history with this stuff is relatively recent, and it isn't like he is repeating the same injury over and over again. Everyone is freaking out now about a small groin injury like he is going to see James Andrews. Guys get pulls and strains especially when they haven't be playing a lot. The guy has had what, 4 or 5 injuries now in the past three seasons? It's time to look at this objectively. He's injury prone. Perhaps there's an underlying reason. Maybe he was a steroid guy, who knows? He suddenly started getting hurt in various ways. If this were Mark Prior, we'd all be thinking the same thing. And if he's such a "competitor" as everyone loves to preach, he'd be able to find a much greater competitive edge with PEDs. And hasn't he also lost velocity over the years?

QUOTE (MAX @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 03:26 PM) Jake Peavy's contract is such that he is paid to pitch for the white sox when he is healthy enough to do so. You are looking at if he is paid to pitch, and if he isn't doing it, he is stealing money. That's not correct - not reality. If you are upset about his contract and the money he makes while being injured, you should be more upset with KW. Furthermore, why are you so upset about it? Its not your money. We don't even know if its the white sox money or some insurance company's money. Fathom covered the last part for me. And obviously I don't think he's physically stealing money out of the coffers of the White Sox. It's a figure of speech. He's making a lot of money that he's doing almost nothing to earn.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 03:23 PM) It isn't just Peavy. If a player is in a slump he needs to be DFA'd. If a team is in a slump everyone needs to get fired. OK, but instead of muddying up the current subject to help your argument, let's remember that this has been the case since 2009. This isn't just a "moment" thing.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jun 15, 2011 -> 03:20 PM) Suggesting he return the money and retire as a viable option is absurd and you know it. I know he won't do it, but didn't a guy from the Cardinals just do that fairly recently. Either way, that's the best scenario for the Sox. Either a miracle could happen and Peavy will suddenly become/stay healthy, he'll retire and relieve us of the burden of his contract, or he'll continue to woo everyone with his heart and dragging this soap opera out until his contract mercifully ends.