Milkman delivers

A Muslim? Surprising.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Oct 20, 2014 -> 01:22 AM) Next week is the series finale of Boardwalk? Wow. So obviously Nucky and probably Eli and most of Nucky's gang is going to die. Not sure yet what will happen with Will, or with Gillian, besides being saved by Nucky. Also, I feel like this Joe Harper person has to come back and play some role. No way he is just gone now. I've seen some rumors online that think Joe Harper is actually Tommy Dormody. But the timeline for that would make Tommy 13 or 14, and Joe Harper looks to be around 18-20. I guess Joe Harper is the name of a character from Tom Sawyer, so people think Joe Harper from Indiana is just a fake name. Would have been really cool if it was Tommy, but the timeline just doesn't add up. Pretty sure he's just a kid that reminds Nucky of himself, so he sent him away to prevent him from leading his life.

Haha.

I think Strange and bmags have sufficiently proven that they're some of the good white people

He was an actor that portrayed a reverend, not a reverend. Don't overreact.

Finally a Boardwalk Empire episode this season that wasn't boring or terrible.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 4, 2014 -> 02:44 PM) When it's finally announce no charges will be fired against the heinous cop, what's going to happen in Ferguson? Still there are disputes almost every night with the cops/protestors. I found it interesting the police chief apologized for keeping Mike Brown's body in the middle of the road for so long. It's disgusting that a few weeks after the fact they acknowledge how big and disgraceful a f***-up that was. So many cops should lose their jobs over this tragedy. You're a joke, greg.

Like I said, I didn't watch the video. I was responding to the way it was phrased by Alpha. On a completely different tangent, in Illinois, physically hitting someone is a battery. Assault is a threat.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 04:46 PM) While I realize that cops have a dangerous job, and they were told that there was a possible active shooter, from the video that was released, it looks like they just shot first. You see the guy's head turn and then he is down. Also, the person who called in the shooter to 911 has been accused by many of 'swatting' the guy. If I was the family of the dead guy I would be trying that avenue of relief by going after him. Didn't watch the video, but do you expect the police to allow him to shoot first?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 17, 2014 -> 02:40 PM) What do you do if somebody's cell phone is not on vibrate and rings? That's just rude behavior whether the student is paying for education or not. If I was a teacher I wouldn't be able to stop myself from saying how rude that student was at that moment. Or is that cause for teacher suspension by the administration? You think a teacher could conceivably be suspended for telling a student that they're rude? What kind of soft-ass world do you live in?

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 5, 2014 -> 03:20 PM) Personally I think that was when the show jumped the shark. I watch and like the show but it really took something out of it that they were not able to replace. It had a wow effect but it had no positive impact on advancing the show. It was an overreaction to the (correct) fan reaction to all of the previous seasons. Fans were getting upset that they refused to kill off any of the popular characters when it would flow naturally with the plot. Instead, they would have a ridiculous swerve at the end of every season where they basically just hit the reset button right back to how things were at the beginning of the season. I had given up before this part, though. I swore I'd stop watching if they did it again and they proceeded to do the whole . As to Boardwalk Empire, I'm disappointed that we won't get to see the Rothstein assassination and maybe a couple more, depending on exactly when they pick up the series in 1931. But, they also might cover it in a flashback.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 29, 2014 -> 02:43 PM) This Stephen Colbert guy is not funny nor is he talented. These ISIS bastards are brutal and I don't find it terribly funny what they've been doing. His jokes and delivery are not entertaining. Did you see England has issued a "severe" terror threat at home? These ISIS guys are so brutal it's beyond belief. https://screen.yahoo.com/popular/isis-panic...00660.html?vp=1 Wrong on both counts, but I'm guessing this isn't the first time you've been told that.

QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 25, 2014 -> 01:25 PM) I remember that from history books in school. There's a movie about the split Roman Empire out there. They had two popes and two emperors. That's why there are Orthodox and Roman Catholics. They split the entire early Christian world in half. The maps encompassed much more than just the schism, though.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 12:44 PM) 40 maps that explain the Roman Empire http://www.vox.com/2014/8/19/5942585/40-ma...he-roman-empire Between that and opening a new Wikipedia page from something I read in almost every map, I spent about 1-2 hours on it yesterday.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 12:05 PM) The facts will never be out there. So many versions of the "facts" are out already that literally anyone can paint any version of the story they want and be right based on the "facts". I'm about 100% positive there's more that'll be out sooner or later.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 11:53 AM) In a perfect world, to me, they would have waited another few seconds or a few more feet. Again, it was a shoot first response, which doesn't seem entirely appropriate. I'm not even sure they warned him first. They just kept saying stop. Ha, you don't have to say "stop or I'll shoot". The order is enough. It could help to say it, or it might not.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 11:51 AM) Cops don't get paid well enough to take risks with crazy assholes on the street. I don't particularly care for police officers, to be completely honest. But I certainly don't expect them to mess around with the lunatics they encounter on a daily basis. Love you, too, shack

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 11:50 AM) When he was teenager, my cousin was pretty prone to rage and fighting with his parents. In one incident, he threatened his dad with a knife, and I think he had already hit him a few times. Police were called, but weapons weren't drawn. They talked him down out of his rage and ultimately left with a "boys will be boys" shrug because his parents didn't want to press any charges. I don't know how things would have turned out if the police rolled up and immediately pointed guns at him, but I can only think that it would have increased the chances of something awful happening. Maybe, I don't know. It's a case by case situation, but the officer would never be unjustified in having his weapon out in those situations.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 11:43 AM) There doesn't seem to be a distinction between turning bad and death, though. He wasn't roughed up, he was shot. We gotta wait for the facts to come out. Right now we're arguing over hypotheticals. We don't know what caused each step of rising force on either side. I think we both understand where we're each coming from though.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 11:37 AM) Looking at that video though, look at when the shoot. Didn't it seem to be a bit sudden? Alpha keeps posting about how quickly knife attacks can occur, but none of those situations are really present there. The knife was out already. The cops were 10-15 feet away (from the looks of it anyway). The cops were behind metal doors. I'm even fine with them having their guns out. I don't think that escalates the situation when you're dealing with someone who has a knife and is an obvious threat to anyone around him. But I dunno, they just shot so quickly. Seems like shooting was their first choice, not their last choice. And I say that knowing that we're talking about a few seconds and a few feet, but to me that's an appreciable difference. The Brown case is automatic for me if he did run back towards the cop. The cop's already been attacked once. Brown is attempting to do it again. I have no problem responding with shots in that situation. If that's the case in Ferguson, then yes. But the facts aren't all out yet. This guy had a weapon and approached police with it in hand, disobeying orders to stop. There is not a single thing wrong with their response. Not a single department would disagree. I don't know what to tell you. It's a suicide by cop, I'd bet anything on it.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 11:12 AM) Well, I'm never going to watch one. So thanks for making me throw up. Well, sorry that I was so blunt, but you shouldn't make a claim like that if you have no knowledge of it.

Every department I'm familiar with DOES have civilian oversight. And not saying you can't question things, but you certainly can't question the use of deadly force on an openly armed threat. That's open and shut. This knife situation is not similar at all to the Mike Brown case, which is much more nebulous. The facts still have to come out in Ferguson. This other one is as by the books as it gets.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 11:25 AM) Was it necessary to immediately draw their guns when they arrived? To me, that just escalates the situation. (I'm more picking your brain on your training and procedures here than anything else right now) This is easy. Weapon in view, your weapon is out.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 11:16 AM) Is death the appropriate outcome? Is any other outcome possible? They can be shot and live, yes. The officer COULD use a taser, but as I previously explained, they're ineffective many times with mobile threats and now you might have angered the threat even more and allowed him extra time to use his weapon against you.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 22, 2014 -> 11:11 AM) Your apprehension caused me to watch it, and I kind of wish I hadn't. I think you kind of cut to the root of what bothers me so much, and it's that police intervention seems to escalate situations. There were people surrounding this guy that were apparently not scared at all of him. The police arrived guns drawn and threatening and opened fire really quickly. There's logic to this: -He's in a public place with people walking by - He could hurt someone at any minute - He has a weapon! But I got the impression that nobody who watched that in the parking lot saw it happen and thought "thank God the police arrived". ANd that's why I can't get over the Brown shooting even with all the black eyes and stuff. How did a Jaywalking investigation turn so horribly? It seems like the Police trying to reduce risks using their force may be creating more. Let's be completely honest here. The jaywalking investigation turned bad because the person being investigated turned physically aggressive, and it's most likely because he himself was aware that he had committed a strong armed robbery. I don't care what your opinion is, that's how I see it. Either way, it went south because the dead person became physically combative. And to the knife/shooting, if the police DIDN'T shoot him and he ended up stabbing a bystander or even one of the cops, why do I feel like the cops would be blamed for not acting on it?