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QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ May 23, 2005 -> 12:45 PM) Ouch! I like Konerko and everything, but it's true. He can hit homers and that's about it. He's the slowest runner I've seen in my life, he doesn't hit for average really, and he's good, at best, in the field. He's already making $8 million, he's clearly going to want more. This team can't afford to waste about 1/7 or more of its payroll on him. I think Pierzynski is the team leader of the future.

QUOTE(HSC's Biggest Fan @ May 23, 2005 -> 12:40 PM) Has anyone seen a quote from Uribe on this? My feeling is that he actually thought it was foul. Anyway what is wrong with doing what he did???? Nothing. This kind of thing happens all the time in baseball. I'm mad that Konerko opened his mouth. He probably realizes he isn't getting re-signed after this year. He'll want too much money and we won't give a one-dimensional player that much.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/cubs/cst-spt-cub23.html Konerko is the leader of this team, we all know that. Should he have said this in the media or in private? The thing about rocks kind of sounds like he's saying that he is trying, but Uribe isn't and is just playing dirty. What does everyone else think about this?

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 23, 2005 -> 12:18 PM) Are you serious? Look at his game log. In 17 outings, Vizcaino has given up a run or more in 9 of them. That is awful. Well...yeah...b-b-but...he didn't give up a run in 8 of the outings.

QUOTE(Southside hitmen @ May 23, 2005 -> 12:03 PM) That pitch that Viz gave to Dubois would have been an out in any other stadium... Im not going to blame the guy for a wind blown homerun.. I guess Prior sucks as well since he gave up 3 homeruns yesterday... some of fans on this site are a bunch of crybabies... Exactly what Jabroni said. This guy has sucked consistently all year, so let's cut him another break.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ May 23, 2005 -> 11:58 AM) As far as bullpen arms go, Baj and Jenks could both close some innings in relief for the big club. You really think Jenks is ready? Everything I've heard says that he's going to need a year or two in the minors.

QUOTE(TheDybber @ May 23, 2005 -> 11:47 AM) I wasn't suggesting Crede, I was just saying they could use an upgrade at 3B. Just an observation. and he's not THAT much better, depends what they are looking for. Remember, Ensberg didn't have a home run until late July/early August last year. He's batting .301 with a .404 OBP with 8 homers and 21 RBI on a team that, I believe, has had a struggling offense this year. Even if his numbers are inflated and he doesn't have as much pop in his bat as Crede, I'd take him in a heartbeat over Joe. I don't know anything about his defense, though.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ May 23, 2005 -> 03:44 AM) It hasn't even been 2 months of the season, and you've already made your mind up about Vizcaino. He's a flyball pitcher, who gave up a routine fly ball today, that got caught in the wind for a homer. Right now his lefty splits (which was the main reason we got him) suck. But last season, they were some of the best in the LEAGUE for a righty. He's not going to be this bad, all season long. One thing on him though, he may have a bit of a dead arm. Last year, pre All - Star 2.88 ERA in 40.2 IP, post all - star 4.88 ERA in 31.1 IP. Just something to consider. Borch can hit the ball hard. Yeah, about once in every 20 AB's. .188 AVG in Charlotte this season with a 53/12 K/BB ratio says he won't make it, at least not with us. Vizcaino was bad two years ago, there is actually reason to believe he'll return to those kinds of numbers. How long are we supposed to wait for him? It's been 1 1/2 months, and he looks just as bad as he did in the beginning. We can't continue to let him hurt us the way he has. The team needs to look for an in-house answer, and if one can't be found, make a trade.

QUOTE(TheDybber @ May 23, 2005 -> 11:34 AM) Actually, they could use an upgrade over Ensberg at 3B. Joe Crede? Seriously, how is Ensberg defensively? I know he's much better offensively than Crede.

QUOTE(Wedge @ May 23, 2005 -> 11:14 AM) Additionally, you have to figure that Berkman and Biggio are in the absolute twilight of their careers and that Clemens won't be there next year. I think you mean Bagwell and Biggio are in the twilight of their careers. Berkman is only 29.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ May 22, 2005 -> 09:07 PM) Unless someone pitches piss poor, BMac isn't staying with the team. How would you classify Vizcaino's pitching? I would call it piss poor.

QUOTE(qwerty @ May 22, 2005 -> 05:58 PM) This has nothing to do with this but anyway... How many games had Maddux won at that point?

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 22, 2005 -> 05:51 PM) IEDIT: And Jason, how about Polanco for Crede and Vizcaino... Or, Polanco + a reliever. Oh man, that would be sweet. Do you really think we could send them Crede, Viz, and a prospect or two for Polanco and a reliever? What reliever?

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ May 22, 2005 -> 05:28 PM) No, cause you shouldn't lose Viz for nothing and he has no options left. Viz shouldn't be moved down. If they are going to do something with Viz they better trade him. His season thus far has been nothing like he has pitched for most of his career. Although I guess when you look at his stats a bit more closely he only had 2 good years, last year and than in 2002. But the Sox have the best record in baseball, a month from now, than it may be time to move Viz and add a new reliever. I understand your point, but how long are we supposed to wait for him to figure it out? It's been two months, and he's still garbage. Maybe we should somehow see how Baj will do before we decide on Viz. If Bajenaru sucks and Viz gets better, we keep him. If Bajenaru sucks and so does Viz, we package Viz for someone else. If Bajenaru does well, we do whatever we can with Viz. No matter what, we have to start looking at alternatives. I don't see any signs of him putting it back together.

QUOTE(rangercal @ May 22, 2005 -> 05:28 PM) That's what I'm leaning towards Seems like the only logical choice to me. Walker has had no use here. Viz just has been sucking like no other. Timo may have friends, but he's of much less use than Willie and Ozuna.

Can everyone at least agree that it should be a combination of Walker, Timo, and Vizcaino?

Now it looks like the loss might hurt us. You would think that Ozzie and KW would smarten up and send Viz to the minors, but the more I think about it, the more I know Ozzie will trot LV out against the Angels the first chance he gets.

I'm happy, too. I can think of another positive: maybe Ozzie and KW realize how bad Viz is and send him to the minors. That's be a huge positive. The starting staff is solid (especially with McCarthy backing everyone up!) The hitters are finally here The bullpen is solid, minus Viz (Cotts isn't great, but he is perfect for mop-up duty) Get rid of Viz and hopefully Baj can help, then we're set.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 22, 2005 -> 05:04 PM) For the most part it's not a bad idea but with Brandon it is. That's a good way to do it for a pitcher to gain confidence and realize he can pitch in the show. Bmac knows he can pitch here and he needs to be taking the ball every 5 days to improve even more. 6-man rotation, let's get it done!

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 22, 2005 -> 04:59 PM) I watched the game with my buddy and I had to get something out of my car. When I came back I asked my buddy, "So did Vizcaino give up a bomb?" Yep, I knew it was going to happen. Vizcaino is indeed a bum. I saw him warming when the Sox were still batting. Knew that couldn't be good. When he came in, I asked my brother why they were doing it and said he's going to give up a homer. It's too easy with this guy.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ May 22, 2005 -> 04:55 PM) Still looks like we will have a 6 game lead, and we took 2 of 3 from the Cubs. Bad loss, but nothing to hang our heads about. Could and should be up 7 games. We need every win.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ May 22, 2005 -> 04:53 PM) come on people, he gave up a pop fly homer, it wasnt a bad pitch, and any other day that would have been in the mitt. Great game by everyone, good series, lets take em at the CELL It's not just about one game. LV has sucked so bad this year. He is hurting the team.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ May 22, 2005 -> 04:50 PM) If Viz could throw his fastball for strikes he'd be a lot more dominate, unfortunately the only thing he throws for strikes is his slider and pitchers just wait for him to leave it up (and he does it far too often) and bam...HR. Let's send this bag of s*** to the Cubs, they could always use another BP arm. Sure, he sucks, but he's better than most of their guys. This is the first guy that I've said we should trade for anything. He truly is worthless here. Get a prospect or something out of him.

I think this is the one player on this team that deserves his own thread that says he needs to go. This whole year, we've had thread on just about everyone, PK, Dye, Contreras, Garcia, Timo, etc. But, all of those guys have been good for this team at some point. They've all come out of their funks. Vizcaino has not done this. He has sucked on a consistent basis this entire season. He hasn't earned a spot on this club. He always lets runners score and he can't hold a lead or last more than 1 inning without sucking. This guy is pure garbage now. He can't survive on two pitches. It's time to say goodbye to Viz and bring up Bajenaru.

Cub "fans" celebrate like they won the World Series. A big f*** you to Luis Vizcaino. I hope you never pitch for the Sox again because you certainly don't deserve it. A big congratulations goes out to Brandon McCarthy. You really stepped up in a pressure-filled situation and flat out performed. You have an extremely bright future. In conclusion, f*** Vizcaino. He needs to go. Absolute hot garbage.