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QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 01:53 PM) I think Cutler's accuracy was phenomenal this year. The unfortunate part is the bears did not run plays designed to get people open. There was no thought process that "oh if we drag this receiver here, this should open it up underneath", etc. Jay was completing passes to ridiculously covered receivers over and over again. The one player usually wide open was Davis, who would drop the ball. blood pressure.......rising...............

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 01:51 PM) Emery's last draft with the Falcons was Matt Ryan. He was instrumental in picking Roddy White, but I think most people give credit to Dimitroff. So, he gets credit but he doesnt. Ok

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 01:43 PM) And this is why I cant understand Emery as getting a complete pass. In what world did the Bears need a DE tweener in the first round? Drafting an OL in the 1st could have made a significant difference. Outside of Jeffrey his draft was just brutal. You cant judge a draft in the first year.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 01:40 PM) They are as close as 50% of the NFL, need a good qb. The Chiefs problem is that they keep picking crappy ones and this year should be pretty horrific for finding a QB. How about the Falcons? Emery seems to have had a hand setting them up pretty nicely

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 01:33 PM) I've gone to a ton of Bears games over the years, and we all know that nearly everyone is going to get the "suck" treatment from fans. People are drunk, frustrated, and they all know everything. It means very little. I get what DA is getting at, and he could prove to be right, but the bottom line is the offense has shown absolutely no real progress over the course of his tenure here, regardless of the addition of some new and legitimate weapons. Lovie's defenses took us as far as they could, but ultimately it was never enough. It's time to try something new. The goal isn't to win 10 games. yes and yes

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 01:29 PM) I went to 4 games and probably heard it at least 20 times a game. They won a couple of them. Ok. Those people are stupids

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 01:27 PM) The part that makes no sense is that the Bears are basically giving Emery the keys to the castle when he has much less experience than Lovie. If anything I would have thought the Bears should have given Lovie more power (after getting rid of Angelo) and seeing if that actually made a difference. Instead they got a new GM, said he cant fire Lovie for 1 year and you have a clusterf*** from the start. That is the ultimate problem for the Bears. They have no clue what they are doing in the front office. Lovie had to be the longest tenured coach with the least amount of power. I cant imagine that Lovie wanted McClellan in the 1st. The Bears need 1 person to steer the ship and everyone else to follow directions. 2 generals with equal power does not work, the Romans found this out at the Battle of Cannae in 216 BC. Yet almost 2000 years later the Bears are still mucking it up. Normally I dont always agree with you but think you are pretty rational. This is ludicrous, why would you hire a new GM and immediately chops his balls off like that? If you set the power structure like that after a new hire, your clusterf*** is coming no matter what

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 01:25 PM) Spend a game at Soldier Field. Any time a Bear screws up you will hear an F--- you Lovie, you suck. Every. Single. Time. I saw them play Minnesota this season. Didnt hear it once

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 01:22 PM) If the Bears go 10-6 next year and don't make the playoffs, will that mean the new coach is as stupid as Lovie? who said Lovie is stupid Also, season expectations always change the perspective of the end result of the season

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/tag/_/na...ack-monday-2012 Arizona - GM Graves HC Whisenhunt Buffalo - HC Gailey Chicago - HC Smith NY Jets - GM Tannenbaum San Diego - GM Smith HC Turner KC - HC Crennel Cleveland - GM Heckert HC Shurmur Philadelphia - HC Reid Jacksonville - GM Smith Any confirmation on Rivera?

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 01:14 PM) Herein lies the problem, who is running the ship for the Bears? Did Lovie want those guys, or did the GM? I am nervous the Bears will mess this up. Lovie has always had control over his coordinator and assistant hires

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 12:57 PM) It's actually true. I have heard from so many Bear fans that they would rather their team lose so they can finally fire Lovie. They got what they wanted. So far, you've had two people tear up on radio about it and a third about to retire over it. The fans are going to see that grass is not always greener. They want to say that Lovie knew nothing about offense, but yet, he brought in several different OCs and none of them could do anything. You had one of the most heralded offensive line coaches in the league, who also couldn't do anything with these players. Wonder why? The line. Any new coach they bring in, is going to want to upgrade that line. Apparently, Emery believes in continuity on a line, even if it's poo. I bet my account, the Bears do not finish with anywhere the record they finished with this year without that offensive line being vastly different. This wasn't Lovie's fault. That's why the players feel sorry for him. He didn't have a hand in this failure. He could've brought in Chip Kelly, and that offense still would've been terrible. They brought in Cutler's guy(Jeremy Bates), they brought in Mike Martz, an offensive guru who really didn't have a failure on offense anywhere else. Yet, you people state Lovie didn't know offense and all the coaches he hired sucked. Chances are if he brought in Sean Payton and the offense failed here, you would talk about how Payton was always overrated. Never blame the head coach for a team not finding the playoffs 5 out of the last 6 years, thats just silly I know you have Lovies back, nite, but you cannot absolve him from all fault. And when it comes down to it, his teams have not performed up to expectations in the past 6 years. blame everyone else all you want, but the ax always comes down on the guy in charge.

This has moved from black monday to bloody monday

the tribune has a list of candidates. A couple on the list made me cringe, Caldwell and Gruden being among them. Gruden may still have it in him, but after this MNF experience, I only view him as a caricature anymore, i cant take that guy seriously

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 11:58 AM) Jeff Dickerson ‏@ESPNChiBears Ditka: Firing Lovie a bad move by Bears i am surprised he said this, said nobody anywhere at any time

I could see Lovie being the type of guy that pretty much refuses to become DC unless that is absolutely the only option for him, and at this point I could see him getting plenty of HC interviews. once guys get a taste of being HC, they dont like going back. And say what you will about lovie, he did leave chicago with a winning record, and that will play very favorably for him on the coach market.

a buddy just texted me saying Hester is retiring

what is SD waiting for? Just do it, you know you want to

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 11:00 AM) Agreed about the defense, but I don't know that I would call it an overhaul...and I tend to think if you keep running this system, and gradually replacing guys instead of "overhauling" the whole thing, you'd find it easier to replace Urlacher, Tilman, Briggs, etc., than it seems. That depends on the system put in place by the next coach. And if you are replacing the starting MLB, OLB, CB, and DE(i doubt the bears are going to take the cap hit on peppers), with Melton hitting free agency(even though i believe RFA), still have a hole at FS unless you trust Conte, i dont know what else to call it but an overhaul. We could be looking at a drastically different defense next season. Offense, I agree needs to be built around

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 10:49 AM) That's exactly the kind of guy they will hire. Judging from past history, and considering Emery has been with the Bears before, it will be closer to Tim Beckman. what?

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 10:43 AM) We don't need an overhaul, that's what people are missing. There is a ton of top end talent on the Bears today. We need a coach that can get these guys to win right away, this is why most of us don't want a guy who has never coached before. We can't piss away games because a guy is getting his legs under him. Jake, the defense needs a big overhaul. 4 of the best players are on the wrong side of 30 and are showing signs of slowing down, and the dropoff from them to the next players is pretty steep. And the O line. My god the O line

So far Andy Reid(Eagles), Shurmur and Heckert(Browns), Gene Smith (Jaguars GM), Mike Tannenbaum(Jets) have lost their jobs Sources say Romeo Crennel loses his job and Scott Pioli keeps his, Norv Turner and AJ Smith both also lose their jobs

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 08:58 AM) Go back to when Bush was signed, many wanted the Bears to walk away from Forte. There was a post earlier saying Bush was a signing Lovie had something to do with, and it wasn't a compliment. Who are they going to hire? Andy Reid? How many times has he made the playoffs lately? An assistant? These are the Bears. They will be paying Lovie next year if he coaches or not. Are they going to pay him and pay another guy big bucks to coach their team or will they go the cheap route? I'm guessing the cheap route. I'd rather be locked into Lovie one more year than the next Jauron or Wanne for 3 or 4. If they fix the line, Lovie gives them the best chance to win next year because of his defensive philosophy with turnovers. The defense is aging. When they stop getting turnovers, they lose. Lovie's teams take the ball away better than anyone. Why so worried about what one poster said about Bush? who cares? We all want a better coach DA, we dont want another Wannstedt. I think Emery would be stupid to hire an unqualified coach. That doesnt mean i want to keep Lovie, i think it has run its course. The Bears need a coach that can get them to another level.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 08:25 AM) Isn't that the reason Tice was the OC to begin with? Facts are, a lot of Bears fans were jumping for joy when Tice was named OC. The very same ones who were screaming the Bears should dump Forte after the great signing of Bush. Now those same people want to say Lovie is an idiot because he wanted Bush. You can name anyone OC or head coach, if Webb is your starting LT next year, chances are the Bears won't win 10 games, and the next group will be called clowns by the clowns in the stands. The standard is the playoffs(and greater goal is the championship), not what the fans want. Neither goal have been met but once in the past 6 years, and there is one constant here and that is lovie. Emery needs to do what is right for the Bears and needs to rebuild an aging team into a playoff team again. That DOES include fixing the offensive line. Who here was screaming to dump Forte? Who here is saying Lovie is an idiot for wanting Bush?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 07:56 AM) The fear of the unknown is a terrible reason to keep a coach. Every team should strive for greatness and we all know Lovie isn't that. Lovie is two things, a great defensive coordinator and a very good motivator. Unfortunately, he has no ability to pick good offensive minds and his overall in-game managing is just plain bad. Does this make him a horrible head coach? No, he's so strong on the defensive side of ball that it makes up for some of his other shortcomings. However, it does make him incredibly flawed and prevents him from ever being a great head coach in the NFL. I actually don't see how keeping Lovie is up for debate. Does anyone here really think Emery wants to commit to Lovie as his long-term guy? Emery has worked his ass off to become a GM and now he's going to stake his career on a head coach that he was forced to keep for a year? If this guy has any kind of long-term vision, he'll want to hire his own guy who will better suited to carrying it out. And going the lame-duck route and keeping Lovie for one more season makes even less sense. Some good coaches will jump ship and you'll have a very hard time replacing them. Also, if you fire Tice, how are you going to hire a respectable OC? You pretty much have to give Bates the job. So after all this, Lovie is given another year to meet what criteria? Make the playoffs? Let's say the Bears don't, that's two years of not making the playoffs under Emery and even if he makes Lovie the scapegoat, the whole process will reflect poorly on him. Also, then we're talking about yet another OC Cutler will have to work with in 2014. I think the decision is pretty obvious for Emery. Fire Lovie and find a new head coach that matches the organization's long-term vision. p****footing around for another year would just add to this mess. I'm not too worried though, I think there's almost no chance Lovie is brought back. I agree with all of this. Not as confident as you about Lovie getting canned, I am thinking 50/50 right now, but I defiitely agree with this.