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QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 02:52 PM) Kyle, Its a ton of speculation, I have no inside information. With Angelo I would think Lovie had more say. I am more focused on this year and Emery, because this year is the year Lovie was fired and its been theorized that had Lovie done better, he may not have been fired. That is why I am only referring to this years draft and the oddity of the picks. The one thing we do know is that when Emery was hired he was explicitly told he could not fire Lovie for 1 season. The real point is, you dont hire a GM and tell them who their head coach is going to be. The Jets are about to find out why this is a bad idea as well. If you are hiring a GM to be the man, he needs to be able to make all decisions from day one. Otherwise you get this nonsense, where 2 years are potentially lost. Especially if the Bears defensive system dramatically changes. A lot of that had to do with timing too. Emery was hired pretty late in the game to be turning around and hiring a brand new staff, a full month after every other head coach in the NFL was fired and all of those teams got a jump on the hiring process. It makes no sense for Emery to fire lovie in February and go bargain bin hunting for a coach and staff at that point. It is what it is, the GM hiring was hamfisted. Lets not act surprised. One thing I have hope for is this is NOT Angelo making the decision, and this is NOT Ted Phillips/McCaskeys making the decision. So I cant say "Oh this is the Bears FO screwing it up again", because this is someone new. We have to give Emery a chance to do his job that he was hired to do.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 02:41 PM) I dont know, which is why I am asking. It seems that Lovie has had very little say in personnel, I could be wrong obviously. And to be clear I dont think Emery purposefully set up Lovie, but I also dont think he went out of his way to make sure the Bears had the best chance at winning this year. There is no way you can convince me that McClellin (1st round) and Hardin (3rd Round) were the best choices for the Bears to win this year, especially when the Bears did nothing for the OL. And thats the thing, you are creating this argument for giving Lovie more power in personnel decisions and assuming he had none to begin with, when that could be completetely wrong. What if Lovie and Tice told Emery they were confident that this offensive line would take the next step because of what they saw in that 6 game stretch before Cutler broke his thumb last year? IIRC players like Danielle Manning and Al Afalava were chosen by Angelo because Lovie wanted them badly. Either way, You dont hire a GM and immediately give all personnel power to the incumbent head coach. Maybe Emery kept him for this season because he wanted to see if Lovie could get this team deep in the playoffs, and then would keep him and offer him an extension. You just never know.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 02:29 PM) Well the premise of my argument was can anyone name a longer tenured coach than Lovie Smith who had less ability to make personnel decisions. I think that the Emery/Smith situation was an aberration. Generally the GM hires the Coach, so the GM and Coach are on the same page from day 1. In this case you had a GM who was hired with a coach in place and told he cant fire the coach for 1 year. Thus if Emery didnt like Smith, he had every reason to screw Lovie so he could get rid of him. If Lovie makes the playoffs can they fire him? I doubt it. And since Emery seems to have wanted to fire Lovie, I cant help but wonder if last years draft wasnt a set up. Emery drafted guys that werent even healthy, how does that help a team that wants to win a Division Title? How do you know what decisions were and were not made with lovies input during the Angelo era?

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 02:24 PM) I dont think 1 guy can do both jobs effectively, but when it comes to drafting, the coach really should have the final say. If you cant trust the coach to pick the right guys, how can you trust him to play the right guys etc? It just makes no sense. Then the league hasnt made any sense for quite a long time

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 02:13 PM) Parcells, maybe Vermeil, but it usually doesn't work. I think Emery started out as a strength coach. The more the league changed, the less it worked for Parcells. Does Belichek still hold some GM duties or did he back off of that? It got Shanahan fired in Denver.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 01:53 PM) I think Cutler's accuracy was phenomenal this year. The unfortunate part is the bears did not run plays designed to get people open. There was no thought process that "oh if we drag this receiver here, this should open it up underneath", etc. Jay was completing passes to ridiculously covered receivers over and over again. The one player usually wide open was Davis, who would drop the ball. blood pressure.......rising...............

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 01:51 PM) Emery's last draft with the Falcons was Matt Ryan. He was instrumental in picking Roddy White, but I think most people give credit to Dimitroff. So, he gets credit but he doesnt. Ok

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 01:43 PM) And this is why I cant understand Emery as getting a complete pass. In what world did the Bears need a DE tweener in the first round? Drafting an OL in the 1st could have made a significant difference. Outside of Jeffrey his draft was just brutal. You cant judge a draft in the first year.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 01:40 PM) They are as close as 50% of the NFL, need a good qb. The Chiefs problem is that they keep picking crappy ones and this year should be pretty horrific for finding a QB. How about the Falcons? Emery seems to have had a hand setting them up pretty nicely

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 01:33 PM) I've gone to a ton of Bears games over the years, and we all know that nearly everyone is going to get the "suck" treatment from fans. People are drunk, frustrated, and they all know everything. It means very little. I get what DA is getting at, and he could prove to be right, but the bottom line is the offense has shown absolutely no real progress over the course of his tenure here, regardless of the addition of some new and legitimate weapons. Lovie's defenses took us as far as they could, but ultimately it was never enough. It's time to try something new. The goal isn't to win 10 games. yes and yes

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 01:29 PM) I went to 4 games and probably heard it at least 20 times a game. They won a couple of them. Ok. Those people are stupids

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 01:27 PM) The part that makes no sense is that the Bears are basically giving Emery the keys to the castle when he has much less experience than Lovie. If anything I would have thought the Bears should have given Lovie more power (after getting rid of Angelo) and seeing if that actually made a difference. Instead they got a new GM, said he cant fire Lovie for 1 year and you have a clusterf*** from the start. That is the ultimate problem for the Bears. They have no clue what they are doing in the front office. Lovie had to be the longest tenured coach with the least amount of power. I cant imagine that Lovie wanted McClellan in the 1st. The Bears need 1 person to steer the ship and everyone else to follow directions. 2 generals with equal power does not work, the Romans found this out at the Battle of Cannae in 216 BC. Yet almost 2000 years later the Bears are still mucking it up. Normally I dont always agree with you but think you are pretty rational. This is ludicrous, why would you hire a new GM and immediately chops his balls off like that? If you set the power structure like that after a new hire, your clusterf*** is coming no matter what

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 01:25 PM) Spend a game at Soldier Field. Any time a Bear screws up you will hear an F--- you Lovie, you suck. Every. Single. Time. I saw them play Minnesota this season. Didnt hear it once

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 01:22 PM) If the Bears go 10-6 next year and don't make the playoffs, will that mean the new coach is as stupid as Lovie? who said Lovie is stupid Also, season expectations always change the perspective of the end result of the season

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/tag/_/na...ack-monday-2012 Arizona - GM Graves HC Whisenhunt Buffalo - HC Gailey Chicago - HC Smith NY Jets - GM Tannenbaum San Diego - GM Smith HC Turner KC - HC Crennel Cleveland - GM Heckert HC Shurmur Philadelphia - HC Reid Jacksonville - GM Smith Any confirmation on Rivera?

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 01:14 PM) Herein lies the problem, who is running the ship for the Bears? Did Lovie want those guys, or did the GM? I am nervous the Bears will mess this up. Lovie has always had control over his coordinator and assistant hires

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 12:57 PM) It's actually true. I have heard from so many Bear fans that they would rather their team lose so they can finally fire Lovie. They got what they wanted. So far, you've had two people tear up on radio about it and a third about to retire over it. The fans are going to see that grass is not always greener. They want to say that Lovie knew nothing about offense, but yet, he brought in several different OCs and none of them could do anything. You had one of the most heralded offensive line coaches in the league, who also couldn't do anything with these players. Wonder why? The line. Any new coach they bring in, is going to want to upgrade that line. Apparently, Emery believes in continuity on a line, even if it's poo. I bet my account, the Bears do not finish with anywhere the record they finished with this year without that offensive line being vastly different. This wasn't Lovie's fault. That's why the players feel sorry for him. He didn't have a hand in this failure. He could've brought in Chip Kelly, and that offense still would've been terrible. They brought in Cutler's guy(Jeremy Bates), they brought in Mike Martz, an offensive guru who really didn't have a failure on offense anywhere else. Yet, you people state Lovie didn't know offense and all the coaches he hired sucked. Chances are if he brought in Sean Payton and the offense failed here, you would talk about how Payton was always overrated. Never blame the head coach for a team not finding the playoffs 5 out of the last 6 years, thats just silly I know you have Lovies back, nite, but you cannot absolve him from all fault. And when it comes down to it, his teams have not performed up to expectations in the past 6 years. blame everyone else all you want, but the ax always comes down on the guy in charge.

This has moved from black monday to bloody monday

the tribune has a list of candidates. A couple on the list made me cringe, Caldwell and Gruden being among them. Gruden may still have it in him, but after this MNF experience, I only view him as a caricature anymore, i cant take that guy seriously

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 11:58 AM) Jeff Dickerson ‏@ESPNChiBears Ditka: Firing Lovie a bad move by Bears i am surprised he said this, said nobody anywhere at any time

I could see Lovie being the type of guy that pretty much refuses to become DC unless that is absolutely the only option for him, and at this point I could see him getting plenty of HC interviews. once guys get a taste of being HC, they dont like going back. And say what you will about lovie, he did leave chicago with a winning record, and that will play very favorably for him on the coach market.

a buddy just texted me saying Hester is retiring

what is SD waiting for? Just do it, you know you want to

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 11:00 AM) Agreed about the defense, but I don't know that I would call it an overhaul...and I tend to think if you keep running this system, and gradually replacing guys instead of "overhauling" the whole thing, you'd find it easier to replace Urlacher, Tilman, Briggs, etc., than it seems. That depends on the system put in place by the next coach. And if you are replacing the starting MLB, OLB, CB, and DE(i doubt the bears are going to take the cap hit on peppers), with Melton hitting free agency(even though i believe RFA), still have a hole at FS unless you trust Conte, i dont know what else to call it but an overhaul. We could be looking at a drastically different defense next season. Offense, I agree needs to be built around

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 31, 2012 -> 10:49 AM) That's exactly the kind of guy they will hire. Judging from past history, and considering Emery has been with the Bears before, it will be closer to Tim Beckman. what?