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Passan in 2016(sorry if previously shared) http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-hypocrisy-of-tony-la-russa-and-the-understandable-fears-of-black-baseball-players-045857175.html

I feel like my Shawshank reference was missed

Last time I heard this phrase, it resulted in a man being locked away in solitary for a month.

There are plenty of managers that had shitty winning percentages before they finally got a good team. Joe Torre had some less than fun stops with the cardinals and mets before he was granted the Yankees unlimited spending in the 90s. It's hard for me to quantify how much the cheating affected the wins for the astros, it definitely affected it but to what degree? The team was and remains competitive, although I think this season was extremely strange and hard to judge what effect the cheating had on the team. I certainly don't think less of your opinion of him, because neither of us really know what was happening the entire time. like I said before, a move like this certainly isn't one to brag or be proud about, but I feel he is a good manager based on how he handled his team, his bullpen, in game moves, how hard his players played for him. A lot of this is anecdotal on my part, but I'm no astros fan so I can only judge what I have seen

You are saying that a gm should meddle with lineups and moves? Interesting

I knew people would respond I just wanted to see how long it would take

My thread was a POLL that was not meant to have DISCUSSION but people here don't LISTEN

I honestly don't know how hiring Hinch, someone with actual championship experience which is way different than anything the Sox have ever done, leads you to believe that it will end up being same old same old. simply firing RR and Cooper should show you immediately that this is not the same and should not be judged as the same as anything this regime has ever done.

Wait a second, how can you argue it's worse? Hinch and then Astros by all accounts cheated to win. Nothing guaranteed of course, players still have to play and make contact etc. rose bet on his own teams games(dont tell me he didn't),he could bet on a win or a loss and if he was betting on losses, he could absolutely steer his team towards that result. both suck, but at least one of these offenses was designed in order to give the team the best chance to win instead of put money in one mans pocket

Would love to see this at some point. Let me know when it starts

In fact, he was immediately rewarded for it

Hahn should be fired on the spot if he picks or avoids a manager in order to sign a player.

I think everyone wanting Francona needs to consider that he sat out this entire season with heart and blood clotting issues. I wouldn't be surprised to see him hang it up, he has already talked a little bit about retiring

That's actually a really good example. Of course, he barely was punished compared to Hinch

I mean, it just goes to show that people fuck up bigtime and fans forget. If Hinch were hired I wouldn't necessarily be proud, but at the same time Hinch has done pretty well with up and coming teams and I don't think all of that success was directly related to the cheating.

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I tried ?

Like Grandal?

Yea I thought about that but just left it out

I would prefer that this was a reply free poll. I would just like to see the votes

I think their suspension ends when the regular season ends

No, I don't remember that at all. And even if it was before this season, I don't think anyone was forcing him to start Delmonico at cleanup in the first week of the season, that was his own decision. and maybe the Alonso stuff was the front office was telling him to keep the guy in the lineup so they could try and move him, but do you really think he was being told to bat Wellington Castillo cleanup?

What makes you think Keuchel was excited?? ?

Why