BigSqwert

Also, Oregon's votes have not been completed. I'd expect a small bump for Obama.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 21, 2008 -> 09:12 AM) OREGON, with 88% reporting... Obama: 331,138 (58%) Clinton: 236,470 (42%) Delegates, approximated: Obama 30, Clinton 22 (net +8 for Obama) I expect a delegate and popular vote increase for Obama once the remaining votes are tallied.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 21, 2008 -> 07:50 AM) Why would caucus states not be counted? I thought Hillary wanted everyone's vote to count? Oh I know why....she lost almost every caucus. So apparently only states she wins count.

Why would caucus states not be counted? I thought Hillary wanted everyone's vote to count?

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 21, 2008 -> 08:00 AM) :unsure: I dont want her anywhere near our national budgeting process. She's already part of it as a member of Congress.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 21, 2008 -> 07:17 AM) The LA Times is reporting that Hillary Clinton is nearly $31 million in debt. The news comes off a release from her campaign Tuesday night that she has raised $22 million. In contrast Obama has $37.3 million on hand with $9.2 million tucked away for the general election.

The LA Times is reporting that Hillary Clinton is nearly $31 million in debt. The news comes off a release from her campaign Tuesday night that she has raised $22 million.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 20, 2008 -> 10:19 PM) The popular vote is a fair moral argument, it's a reasonable thing to look at in an election. It's one of the reasons so many of us are still pissed about the Gore election. If you could honestly look at this situation and say that yes, Obama had won more delegates, but Hillary had a genuine lead in the popular vote, it'd be reason to consider her claim, especially for the Superdelegates. On the other hand though, the reason it keeps being pushed in this race is that it's the only way that Clinton can spin anything as a win for her. She's not going to win the delegate counts, Obama's going to get to the winning delegate margin soon, but she can push the popular vote thing because it minimizes the magnitude of several of his wins in caucus states and takes full advantage of him not being on the ballot at all in Michigan. If Hillary had a valid popular vote claim, then people would be listening. But you can't just assume that Obama got no votes in Michigan, and only a handful in Iowa and similar caucus states and expect a moral argument to work.l But don't you think that Obama's campaign would have tried running up the vote counts in largely populated regions if the popular vote was the measurement for getting nominated? They would have spent 99% of their time in large urban cities for the duration of the campaign. I highly doubt he would have visited Idaho, South Dakota, or Mississippi. So to me the popular vote is a flawed measurement. EDIT: And he would have focused his advertising in the urban cities as well.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 20, 2008 -> 08:03 PM) Hillary going to win by 250,000 in Kentucky. All we'll hear about is the popular vote now. I don't understand the popular vote argument. If that was the measure that was used for selecting the nominee wouldn't the candidates spend all their time in California, New York, Illinois, etc and never even visit some of the less populated states? Delegates was the decided measurement for selecting the nominee and that's how the candidates strategized their campaigns. You can't change the metric in the middle of the campaign.

QUOTE (shipps @ May 20, 2008 -> 04:00 PM) Just got back from San Fran and for those that havent been there before it is a must go.Great ballpark,great downtown,Alcatraz=awesome,good food and alot of history with the unique architecture and trolley cars.I didnt realize how windy and cool that city is,Chicago has no right to call itself the Windy City.The Giant fans seemed like they were happy to have us visiting there ballpark even though our team were kicking there asses. One of my favorite places to visit.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 20, 2008 -> 02:41 PM) How does that stop you from playing in the softball game earlier in the day? Hmm. Maybe it doesn't. What time is the softball game? Our party was planning to tailgate before the Sox game.

Oh darn. I just remembered that's the date of my bachelor party. We'll all be at the game to start off the festivities of our adventurous night.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 20, 2008 -> 01:28 PM) Ultimately, I'm willing to bet that the number of countries that Obama and McCain are willing to "talk" with is almost identical. Probably only a very few differences. Bush "Yes Man" John Bolton tends to agree with you saying that there's a 1% difference between McCain and Obama on diplomacy. Sure he argues that that 1% difference is critical but it's going to be difficult to convince the average voter that a 1% difference in policy is a huge deal.

MSNBC's First Read

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 20, 2008 -> 12:48 PM) and the more I see of Webb the less I like. I think he has potential, but he isnt ready for prime time. Agreed. I think it would be foolish to have 2 freshman Senators running on the same ticket. I'd prefer a Governor on the ticket or even Bloomberg.

QUOTE (lostfan @ May 20, 2008 -> 12:44 PM) Cuba belongs in the "axis of unpleasantness" or "list of moderately annoying countries." I'm no expert on this really don't see what the big deal is there. I mean, it was pretty obvious when they were allies of the Soviets but we haven't had Soviets to worry about for almost 20 years now. Now we just kind of don't talk to them for the sake of doing it more than anything else. Agreed. I also find it hypocritical that we treat China as an equal when they still have a dictator-like regime and treat their people very poorly.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 20, 2008 -> 12:38 PM) Funny that poll doesn't include the guy I think is most likely to be VP. And he'd pretty much guarantee a New Mexico win. BTW Richardson has really grown on me. The more I read up on him the more I'd like to see him be an integral part of the Obama presidency.

Am I the only one that thinks a white male needs to be selected to neutralize the racist vote?

Now McCain is bashing Obama for wanting to talk to Raul Castro. First of all I didn't realize how big of a threat Cuba was to the U.S. today and what exactly has the decades long embargo accomplished that can be deemed a success?

Didn't want to keep posting in the GOP thread so I started a new thread. Here's McCain in 2006 suggesting we talk to Hamas (includes video): LINK

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ May 20, 2008 -> 12:26 PM) I am not an expert on everything McCain as much as you are since I am not one to spin everything for one person, but if you don't realize what Obama said, that's your problem. He only won't talk to Hamas NOW because he has seen how much the "talking to our enemies as well" comment doesn't really resonate with the voters. 2 points. 1 - I provided a link with video footage of McCain in 2006 suggesting we start talking to Hamas and everyone bashed me. 2 - Please provide a quote of Obama saying that he would talk to Hamas without precondition.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ May 20, 2008 -> 12:21 PM) ...he's just generally ignorant to the purpose and goals of enemies, especially like Hamas. As lostfan mentioned a few posts earlier, Obama has not stated he would talk to Hamas. It was McCain, in 2006, that implied that we should talk to Hamas.

You can send him your thoughts via his website (Right side of page).

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ May 20, 2008 -> 11:58 AM) I think the primaries have shown Obama to have a more volitile temper than McCain, so don't let that bother you. What are you basing this on?