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QUOTE(blazewc77 @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 10:02 AM) Do you guys think we can get possibly Michael young for Uribe and Freddy Garcia and maybe a minor leaguer? Who would you give up ? or anyone else in the starting rotation instead of Freddy? this is going to be a loooong offseason on soxtalk... i nominate a new forum "non-justified trade speculation"... so i can ignore it and posts like this.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 09:56 AM) I wouldn't rule it out at all. KW's going to make a splash in the off-season. He did that last off-season filling our main need in getting a big left handed hitting slugger in Thome. Our main need this off-season is getting better starting pitcher, and Kenny may decide Willis is the guy to do that. then he'd be wrong. a 3.77 era and a 1.40 whip in the NL would equal death in the AL...

now THAT is news.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 09:46 AM) I'm saying that we would have to trade a prospect along with Garland to get Willis (although I don't agree with that value wise, that is probably what would happen). Then the Marlins would trade Garland and still get prospects along with that. It depends on what type of prospects they want. They have a huge need for a young stud center fielder. So if the Marlins traded Willis to the Mets for say some stud pitching prospects, they haven't filled that CF need. That's why he may end up at a team like the D-Backs for Chris Young. It's kind of like the Jeff Weaver to the Yanks trade that happened a few years back. The Yanks got Weaver and gave up Ted Lilly and other prospects. The Tigers could have held onto Lilly but traded him to Oakland so that they could get Bonderman and Pena. So if the Tigers decided to just straight up trade Weaver to the Yanks the end result in terms of the players and prospects they got back would have been different. well, my point is that the White Sox are not the right match. No need for D-Train.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 09:28 AM) Because the 3rd team may have to give up less for Garland than they would for Willis. And because they know if they can't trade for Willis, well Garland is a pretty good backup scenario. I'd imagine we'd have to give up a prospect along with Garland to get Willis. Yes, but you don't understand. Why would the Marlins swap Willis to us for Garland, whom they could get less for? Stategically, that is a horrible move. Garland is better than Willis when considering the league in which he pitches, so our swapping him for Willis would be dumb, let alone adding a spect or two. so, basically, you're saying the marlins would want to trade willis for garland because they could get LESS for garland? it just doesn't add up.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 09:20 AM) A 3rd team could be involved in the deal, or the Marlins could just then on trade Garland to another team for prospects. but why would random 3rd team want to give prospects for garland when they could have done so for willis? unless we were to include prospects with garland in a deal to get willis, which i don't think is the best idea. willis would get pwned in the AL.

Personally, I'm not trading Buehrle at his lowest trade value ever, when he has shown a history of being a top pitcher (not an ace, but a top #2 starter). There's no reason to trade Buehrle at this point. With the way he finished the season, Freddy Garcia would net the most profit. QUOTE(kwolf68 @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 09:04 AM) Trading Jon Garland would be the bane of stupidity. Unless it gets us Erik Bedard (+a prospectc) in return I want no parts of it. Why, oh why, would the Orioles trade a better starting pitcher AND a prospect to downgrade and get a more expensive pitcher? Bedard > Garland RIGHT NOW, and in the FUTURE.

QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 08:53 AM) 35 year old lead off hitter is a no-no if you ask me. Theres gotta be someone better out there. Juan Pierre. I don't see how you don't take a run at this guy... he started incredibly slow, but hit incredibly well over the last three months. Plus, Ozzie has some history with him (not sexual!)

QUOTE(Felix @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 08:36 AM) Don't tell that to him this year.. .295/.361/.400 or say, last year .275/.356/.428 That being said, I wouldn't want him either. I mean, if you want to weigh your leadoff responsibilities on a soon-to-be 35 year old who has averaged 82 games played over the last three seasons... if roberts is the answer, i dont want to know the question!

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 08:29 AM) More likely Dave Roberts will be our leadoff and either Sweeney or Fields gets traded. I'd prefer Podsednik to Dave Roberts. Roberts is not a major league starter anymore IMO.

I'm still reeling because we dealt Matt Karchner for him

Good luck to Joey, though I doubt he'd land the job.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 06:48 PM) Steve, I've been around here long enough that everbody should know how thankful I am for last year. Last year was my greatest sports moment/memory in my 23 years on earth. However, that was last year. What has happened this year is just despicable. whatever. this team won the world series last year, and is almost 20 games over .500 this year... take your ass to Kansas City, the North Side, or f***ing seattle man.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 02:52 PM) I won't cheer this team for s***. This was a bust of a season. Period. how quickly ye forget.

QUOTE(Cuck the Fubs @ Sep 21, 2006 -> 11:12 AM) What's the rotatoin going to be?? you never know with KW, but my guess would be Jose Contreras Mark Buehrle Jon Garland Javier Vazquez Brandon McCarthy

Sure, this was a disappointing season, but how many people get the chance to see their team even try to defend a World Championship? KW will have this team where it needs to be next season, but I just wanted to point out that it was still an enjoyable season to watch, and I'll never forget the rain-delayed game vs. Cleveland on a Sunday night in early April... presenting a World Championship Banner. Oh, and then the Ring Ceremony the following Tuesday. Let's go White Sox! For 2005, the celebration that was this entire last year, and for the future, which is incredibly bright!

Pablo Ozuna... popular on the South Side of Chicago and on the South Side of Chicago... no trade value.

PICK UP THE OPTION. this isn't even a question.

Here's my take. Brandon McCarthy will be decent... like 4.20 ERA decent. He will not be God. He will not be dogturds. He will be decent.

"She's Got Issues," - The Offspring not because it pertains to anything, but just because it's an awesome song.

yeah, but you say injuries like its a known fact... aside from Jose Contreras, there has been no documented injury in this rotation... Freddy says that his velocity is down because of the WBC and he is "hurt"... could just be politics trying to stay in Chicago. No definite, documented injuries can point to the following ERA's. Jon Garland: 4.30 Mark Buehrle: 4.79 Javier Vazquez: 4.70 Freddy Garcia: 4.63 oh, and in his unfamiliar role, McCarthy had a better WHIP this season than Garland and Buehrle... just don't use unknown and rumored injuries as reasons to write off the 2006 season as a fluke for these pitchers. im not a huge McCarthy supporter, and I love our top 4 (Buehrle, Garland, Garcia, Contreras) as much as anyone... I'm just saying that there are question marks. I'm not against trading B-Mac however... he has a lot of value right now, and if he can be packaged to get the right guy, I'm all about it. However, the players we have "passed" on that included B-Mac in the rumor were AJ Burnett, Miguel Tejada (though no real trade was ever out there) and Alfonso Soriano, none of which would have helped our pitching staff this season.

QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Sep 20, 2006 -> 12:19 PM) Really? In your scenario we then need to accept that last year was just a fluke. In the course of one season, Freddy now sucks, Buehrle sucks, Contreras is a wobbly ship. The only unknown was Vasquez. Mm. No. My scenario simply states that assuming they will all revert back to 2005 form (sans Vazquez) is idiocy. To say that they aren't question marks just lacks common knowledge of baseball. If everyone who had a bad season reverted back to their greatness the year before, then you would still see a lot of headlines on Jose Lima... Saying something is a question mark is not saying that these pitchers now suck and must be written off. I was simply disagreeing with your bogus statement that our five starters are not question-marks, but Brandon McCarthy is...

QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Sep 20, 2006 -> 12:05 PM) Deal him. KEEP THE FIVE ALIVE. We need smallball "O" and speed--i.e., something instead of Podsednik. Bmac can buy us that. Our starters will be fine next year, rested and healed. BMac's a question mark. They're not. ha. yeah. javier vazquez's inability to put together a complete season since he left Montreal mean's nothing... and lets all just assume Freddy Garcia will be fine because he's had two good starts... oh and Mark Buehlre will magically figure things out, and Jose Contreras will go back to the form that he held for what? 4 months? give me a break... saying our five starters aren't a question mark is dumb.

We will see what happens... personally, I'd like to see B-Mac in the 5th starters spot, but having a vet around who could step in in case he does in fact suck balls would be key.

it's too bad... this team looks good tonight... they could be so good... but minny isnt letting us back in this.