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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 10:28 AM) How much time did Bernstein spend on Ray Lewis? Considering the things his 70 year old partner says, it's pretty hard to use that show as a platform for morals. A pretty good amount of time. They were all over him for 2 weeks leading up to it.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 10:26 AM) I'm certainly not trying to minimize what Alford did, but don't you think Bernstein is being a bit overdramatic? This kind of s*** goes on constantly with big time college and pro sports and male athletes. All one needs to do is see how glorified high-profile male athletes are in our culture and how they are allowed to literally get away with murder to understand that this incident is a mere blip on the radar of transgressions committed probably almost daily. To act as though what Alford did is somehow unique or unheard of, given the energy Bernstein has devoted to this, certainly makes it seem as though he has another agenda in mind here. Part of it stems from the interview that was on his show when the whole thing happened, so there's a stronger connection there.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 10:22 AM) So outside of talking about Steve Alford, what is he doing to actually fight sexual assault? Is he donating to organizations? Is he volunteering at battered women's shelters? Talking about a news story isn't nearly equal to actually fighting something. Well he's certainly not trying to make money off of it, which is my main point. Awareness is part of fighting it. I don't know what he does in his free time. At least he's not doing what Alford did to help to just let it go.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 10:01 AM) Except he isn't really fighting sexual assault. He is trying to make money off of it. LMAO. Yes, let's try to make that ridiculous connection, he's trying to make money off sexual assault. He's actually trying to fight it if you listen to him, which you claim you don't, but probably do. Doubt he makes any money off of talking about Alford directly. He's been at the Score what, 15 years? He's a salaried employee, probably pretty consistent with that as well. I highly doubt the ratings spike due to talking about Alford for a few days, and enough to have someone walk into the office with a giant bag of money. It's not about money.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 09:54 AM) It sure is... One side of the issue only. Sure thing

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 09:44 AM) I meant sub .500 overall. But still, they have 2 starters coming back in Egwu and Abrams and two guys that played lot of minutes in Bertrand and Henry. I don't expect them to be GOOD, but I don't think the cupboard is totally bare and the expectation will be that they still contend for a tournament spot. Ultimately you have to give Groce 3-4 years. I was just saying that if next year they really take a dive then you have to question this season. His success this year might be less about coaching and more about the drive of three seniors to leave the program on a good note. I think it's a mixture of both. Obviously the program is headed in the right direction and i'm excited about what he's doing on the recruiting trail. I'm just not ready to declare that he's going to get us back to the 98-2005 level where we're getting #1 seeds and winning conference and tournament titles. Next year will tell us more about his ability to coach/develop talent. Of more concern to me is his ability to recruit - specifically land big-time guys. If he can get some of them, he will have us back to those levels. If he can't, we won't. I've seen enough of everything else to convince me he has those other things down pat. I think he can get them, but time will tell.

This is similar to arguing with Penn St fans.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 09:29 AM) Yes it was. If he thought he was guilty, he would have thrown him off the team, and none of this crap would have ever happened, and which he did when the second incident occurred which wasn't as serious, and Pierce told him he was innocent again. Except he didn't throw him off the team when he pleaded guilty. Oh, and in the meantime he told the victim to shut the f*** up to try to protect the program. THAT'S the problem.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 09:25 AM) Do you think UCLA had the info when hiring him? Why should a radio station in Chicago care who UCLA hires as a basketball coach? There are scumbags being hired left and right in the NCAA, professional sports, etc. His own station hired Dan McNeil who has had several problems over the years. Did he go on a rant about him? I don't want to minimilze what Pierre Pierce did. Alford's problem was he believed his story. If it were someone you were close to and believed his story and realized what a false accusation could do to his life, isn't it at least possible what Alford did wouldn't seem so outlandish? False claims are made every day, especially college aged women. Unfortunately for Alford, this wasn't a false claim. Why should a radio station in Chicago care about it? LOL. Because it's a sports radio station? Are they limited to Chicago talk only? Again, big story because he went to UCLA now. People are learning a lot more now than when he was at Iowa or New Mexico. I guarantee a ton of people had no clue about a lot of it when they announced the hire.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 09:27 AM) Alford's problem wasn't that "he believed his story," jesus christ. "Unfortunately for Alford" Yeah, that wasn't the biggest problem. This wasn't someone giving benefit of the doubt (IIRC he pleaded guilty anyway).

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 08:53 AM) The key for my evaluation of Groce will be next year. If they get back into the tournament and win a game, give the guy a key to the University for another 10 years. If they go sub .500 start scouting around for another coach. If they hover around the bubble area, that's about what I expect. Close to the same feelings. It's going to be really hard to make the tournament, obviously taking a significant step back next year. I just want to be competitive, show fight win or lose, etc. Bubble battle would be nice. Keep the momentum and mentality going and develop guys. If they are sub .500 in the league I won't freak out (hell, we were this year). Maybe you meant sub .500 overall, because that's a big difference. You'll have the fans who don't pay attention to anything (losing almost your whole starting lineup and one senior left) saying "what happened, Illinois was up and coming and now they missed the tournament?" Can't wait for that.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 3, 2013 -> 08:14 AM) Jesus, SS2K, you are clueless. Alford's his friend or something, so yeah, let's do anything to make Bernstein look like the bad guy. It's a story worth revisiting since he's at UCLA now, one of, if not, the best program in the country.

QUOTE (Brian @ Apr 2, 2013 -> 08:22 PM) I understand they didnt turn out as great as Illinois fans wanted, but that Paul/DJ hug at the end is telling. That team with Leonard and even Richmond cold have been final 4 worthy. Saw that earlier today, good idea to share here. I would have thought that was incredible even if it wasn't Illinois. But seeing Groce deliver that makes me even more confident. I've said it a few times, I could be way wrong, but I truly believe in Groce and I think we'll be back to where we were in the early to mid 2000's in a few years. I think he is THE guy for this job, couldn't be happier we lucked into him after being rejected by the other choices. Also hats off to the seniors, they battled the whole season when they could have just mailed it in, not listened or bought in, etc. They represented the university well which is all you can ask for. We will be back. s***, now I sound like an IU fan years ago

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 2, 2013 -> 07:55 PM) Alford stated that Iowa execs forced him to intimidate that coed that was raped. Which is a lie.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 2, 2013 -> 07:36 PM) Rich Bernstein, making money off of it. Class act. Finding people who have already been taken advantage of, to take advantage of more. I like "take advantage of," like the victim. Alford's been taken advantage of? LMAO. How about Rich Alford? He lied in his press conference. That's reason enough to have it brought up again.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 2, 2013 -> 07:16 PM) He doesn't give a s*** about anyone other than himself. Hence why he made this public, instead of anything else. Why make it private? This is a public story. Poor Alford, let's not talk about it publicly...

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 2, 2013 -> 06:44 PM) If the guy really cared, this wouldn't have been done publicly. He could have done this all behind the scenes. Instead this is all a ploy for ratings and recognition, trying to profit off of what happened at Iowa. That makes Bernstein no better. Cared? He cares about the public knowing correct information. Doing it behind the scenes is pointless. I, for one, have learned much more about how far Alford went with this. He wants Alford called out for being trash and a liar on top of it. Similar to Penn St when he talked about that. But please, let's keep throwing Bernstein on the same level as Alford.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 2, 2013 -> 06:06 PM) Seriously, how does the media not know about this? Berstein is just trolling to get his name in public. He is trying to further himself through this mess, which isn't much better than what Alford did. Yes, him being angry at Alford isn't "much better" than protecting someone for sexual assault and trying to strong-arm the victim. Look, I know you know Steve Alford, and he's probably nice to you, but it doesn't make him less of a scumbag.

QUOTE (Brian @ Apr 2, 2013 -> 04:33 PM) Mike Rice, yikes. And somehow the AD didn't fire him after watching that stuff. Have fun being fired with him.

QUOTE (Brian @ Apr 2, 2013 -> 04:19 PM) I didnt hear the segment but Athomeboy said he wants the reporter to harass Alford and will let him know how to. Let him know about his actions but to egg him on to get under Alford's skin is not of Bernstein's business. Who cares, if that gets under Alford's skin he shouldn't have done all that stuff in the first place. He also lied about part of it during the press conference, too. Media should go in and ask the right questions and have the right information.

QUOTE (Brian @ Apr 2, 2013 -> 04:07 PM) It's really not Bernstein's business to get involved in this. Dan may think he had more pull than he really does to mess with Alford's job. How does that mess with Alford's job? Just media guys talking to media guys. I didn't hear the interview but I have no problem with making west coast people more aware of his actions.

That video was not an April Fool's Day joke. They ran it to open the whole "show" and then they played it again halfway through said show. You don't run an April Fool's day joke on opening day as one of your centerpieces. It also wasn't a joke of any kind trying to trick anyone. Someone tried to have fun and show more "personality" for some of the players. It just ended up being a terrible piece.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Apr 2, 2013 -> 02:21 PM) Bernstein loathes Steve Alford so much that they are seeking out a member of the LA media that covers UCLA so they can "interview" him and make sure he knows he needs to harass Alford about his time in Iowa. Well Alford is a scumbag, not sure how to spin this as a negative on Bernstein. Protecting sexual assaulters and trying to strong-arm the victim is unacceptable in my book.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Apr 2, 2013 -> 08:39 AM) There's a difference between "never thinking critically" and "b****ing relentlessly." Hawk's left pinky finger knows more about baseball than you or I ever will (not so much me though). His signature calls are totally separate from that & if you can't respect his knowledge of the game then you should actually listen to him more, because he will teach you something. Well that's just incorrect, and that's another reason a lot of people don't like him. You'll learn something from Stone, but all you "learn" from Hawk at this point is catchphrases, how to ride umpires, and old baseball stories.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Apr 2, 2013 -> 06:34 AM) Mods please change thread title to "Steve Alford is just like every other coach" This post is great coming from an ND football fan.