Bmr31

Heading to the bottom of the 5th, its 5-2 yanks

1-2-3 top of the forth for the royals, still 5-2 yanks.

By the way Angel Berroa is a good young player. He is so fun to watch.

Uh its the 3rd inning in New york, sweetie.

Yanks just added another run, helped by Ibanez kicking the ball in left field. 5-2 yanks. Bottom 3.

Dude it says that its taken, but it isnt. Just log in and youll be all set.

You add all the factors up and it is evidence. Indicators, whatever you want to call it. You know it, you just feel like arguing. The numbers dont support Cotts being ready for major league batters. He might as well stay up as we are calling up several on September 1, but he wasnt and isnt ready. I said that before he came up, and nothing has changed.

Hind sight is 20-20. If Cotts could have gotten through the sixth, he would have had a quality start if I remember things correctly. That would have bolstered him up a bit also. Also, with Colon's lousy outing, JM probably needed as much from Cotts as he could get, to save the bullpen. There are always other things the manager has to take into consideration besides what appears on the surface of an issue. Just a couple of thoughts thrown your way, not critcism. I said at the end of the 5th, knowing he was at 91 pitches, that he should have been done. I think that would have been the best scenario for him and wish they would have done that, but I don't think it is a particularly bad decision to leave him in. He had a 1-2-3 inning in the 5th, if I recall. 91 pitches in 5 innings is just further evidence that Cotts just isnt ready to pitch in the major leagues. And that was before his "bad" inning. 91 pitches in 5 innings in his second major league start is proof of absolutely nothing. Rich Harden threw 109 pitches in 5 innings versus the Sox. I suppose that means he has no business pitching for the A's also. Cotts went 5 2/3 innings, K'ed 6, walked 2, posted a WHIP of 1.23, and struck out ARod twice. While I'm not ready to put him in Cooperstown just yet, I'm not going to point to his pitch count and say he doesn't belong. He's showed some good things and is certainly no worse than any of our other 5th starter options. Check out results and tell me im wrong again. Go ahead. The guy couldnt stop walking guys in the minors, it was obvious what would happen with the big club. OK, you're wrong, again. I said that his pitch count demonstrates nothing concerning his ability to pitch in the MLB. You said it did. I think you're wrong. If you say he walks too many men, I can't argue with that. But...plenty of pitchers are successful while walking too many guys. Cotts walked 56 in 106.3 innings in Birmingham, for 4.74/9 innings. Al Leiter is walking 5.54 batters/9 innings. Kerry Wood 4.44, Russ Ortiz 4.23, Hideo Nomo 4.08. I'm not saying Cotts is as good as these guys YET, but he's shown in the minors that he can pitch. Would we rather that those walks were singles or doubles? At least his walk total would be low then, right? By the way, Danny Wright, who seems to be everyone's darling now, is also walking 4.74/9. Bottom line is that Cotts had a very servicable outing his last time out, especially for a fifth starter, and deserves another one. If he walks 7 in 4 innings, perhaps he should go back down until next season, but if he puts up another 6 innings with 3 runs and 3 walks, keep him around. If you took your head out of your ass for one moment you would have read that i said its FURTHER EVIDENCE, not all telling.

What the hell is a 9 year old doing at a concert? And without her parents????

Mets win!! Mets win!!! Mets win!!!

KC royals 1st Chisox 1 gb Minn 1.5 gb Wow BOTH central divisions have 3 teams with in 1 1/2 games of first place To use an old Chris Berman quote.........................its the NORRIS division,lol.

Thanks for that brilliant insight.

uhh nope i only clicked it once.... and then it kept sending me back to the thread and wouldnt let me get to the main page.......but i think its fixed for now ....thanks jason...........what a crap nite we win and no one to talk about it with.........

Childish.

WOW, Im glad hockey is the only sports team i dont follow in chicago................. :fyou :finger

KC royals 1st Chisox 1 gb Minn 1.5 gb

:fthecubs :fthecubs

sorry, 30 saves or not, im still not impressed. A 4 plus era and a 1.43 whip in the NL is STILL awful for a relief pitcher. It just goes to show just about anyone can close, and saves is the most useless stat in the history of sports.

Guys think about it. Yes we should retool some, no matter what happens. BUT, dont do a complete overhaul. THere isnt s*** in this division. We can win next season.

Very unpopular trade............. :fyou

All last winter and the first two months of this season, I heard nothing but Carlos bashing. Everyone wanted to give him away. Well, excepting Heather, of course. Gradually, those "Dumbass Caballo" and yard-gnome remarks have strangely become very rare. Carlos has proved he is a quality all-around major league ballplayer this year. I think carlos has great talent and not much upstairs. I certainly dont want to get rid of him. If someone can teach him the game of baseball, the sky is the limit.

That's pretty decent for a number 4 starter. Look around baseball and see what other number guys are doing. I'm sure he comes in as "above average". I have to disagree with you here yas. It really doesnt matter if hes a # 2, 3, 4 or 5. What matters is how he pitches. The results, his progress, his getting the most out of his ability. He may only be 23 or whatever, but hes been around for 4 years. Personally, I ecpect tonights performance to be the norm for Jon, not the exception. Yes he is young but its time to stop making excuses and PITCH.

WEll the vision didnt say we would go undefeated lol. But it did say we would go on a roll from here on out..........