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QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 16, 2008 -> 12:26 PM) SHould have been modern era. Cobb is well known as probably the best player in the "dead ball era" but we cannot compare players between the two era's. The dude had a career .367 batting avg, that just couldnt be done now. Maybe, just maybe, if Jose Valentin can stay healthy for a whole season he can accomplish this feat. Hes the only active player with a legitimate shot though.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 16, 2008 -> 01:10 PM) So making it easier to prosecute these crimes isn't going to help underreporting? That makes no sense to me. Argue it could cause other problems, fine. It gives women the ability to have the evidence on hand, even if they feel they want to try to "get over it" at first, but as time passes decide she needs to prosecute to make sure the crime doesn't happen to anyone else. It actually could help with reporting. I think the point of that article is saying that, while it will help a little. The main problem is getting women to come forward at all, because if they even take a shower the evidence will be gone and a lot of women just want it to go away and the next challenge is finding a way to make them come forward.

Heres some other takes on it I applaud the new Federal "Jane Doe rape kit" initiative, but there is another equation here. What about those women who are traumatized and do not seek initial help or gather evidence? What about the women who do come forward, yet do nothing about the crime? In many cases of rape, the victim may just want to 'forget about it' and move on. An example would be a female college student who was raped by a friend or date. They are thinking, "I was drunk." "No one will believe me." "I flirted with him". The self accusations are endless. Will these women take the initiative to get something like this done...IMMEDIATELY? Being raped is traumatizing enough, but to have to go through the whole rape kit examination is replaying the ordeal over and over again. There are many women out there who would utilize this...but I'm afraid there are more out there that won't use this opportunity. Depending on the woman and the circumstances of her rape, a majority of women NEVER report this crime. It is a misperception that women are raped by seedy, Ted Bundy-ish strangers. In fact, most rapes occur between two people that know each other. Unfortunately,a lot of these women want to move on. They believe that they can "deal with it" in their own way and get over it. That is where I think this "Jane Doe" rape kit initiative is seriously flawed. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

QUOTE (jackie hayes @ May 16, 2008 -> 12:09 PM) But the physical evidence is more than just semen. She would have to take further steps to fake the physical injuries associated with rape, and construct the story, and she'd also have to do those things right away. I find it hard to believe that a woman would have sex with someone, make it look like she'd been raped, then just wait to decide what to do. It seems like once you've decided to fake the injuries, you're already pretty dedicated to the scam, so you'd just call in the blackmail right away. I'm having a hard time imagining a woman who would go to such lengths and then have moral qualms about blackmail. I understand your point, and I think without any other evidence it would be hard to get a conviction. However, it would be hearsay at that point and if a jury believed her more than him he could get convicted. Not all rapes have other signs of physical evidence either. the victim could be passed out, too scared to fight back etc. I guess a person could even put other physical marks on themselves if they wanted. That coupled with DNA evidence would be enough to press charges. Even if they got thrown out later, just the accusation would follow someone for the rest of their life. Even if they didnt report it as a rape either, the DNA is there if she would want to let a cheating husbands wife know. Without the evidence its his story versus hers but if shes got DNA should could blackmail him too. This isnt something that would have to be premeditated either. It could be over something as simple as a guy not calling a girl back. The point about the athletes I think is valid too. Its pretty well known they meet women a lot and Im sure sleep with a decent amount that they dont know. Im willing to bet that even if they didnt do it a lot of them would accept it and pay the girl off because they wouldnt want to have to go through what Kobe Bryant did. Also, Im not saying that this is going to turn into an epidemic Im just saying the new system opens a lot more doors IF someone wanted to do this and I was saying basically I hope they have a way to keep stuff like this at a minimum. There are people out there would try stuff like this, weve seen it more than a few times in the media and I used the Duke Lacrosse as an example. That girl was after one thing, money, and we know she isnt the only one doing that kind of stuff. I also said I think its good theyre doing something to try and get women who are scared or too embarrassed to come forward and report real incidents. I just hope this doesnt open doors for fake accusations which might make real victims even more scared to come forward.

QUOTE (jackie hayes @ May 16, 2008 -> 11:40 AM) You both missed my point, and mreye inadvertantly helped make it. These kits don't make it much easier to lie about a rape, that I can see. Those links show that it happens now, even without these kits being widely available, and any woman wanting to blackmail someone could just as easily do so before going to the ER. So I don't see why it has anything to do with these kits. Thats the thing, that DNA isnt going to be there very long so if she wants to do something it has to be done immediately and you have to go to the ER quickly and more than likely wouldnt have time to set something like this up. The new way allows her to pull the evidence and pretty much, store it until she figures out what she wants to do.

QUOTE (jackie hayes @ May 16, 2008 -> 11:44 AM) No, I read the article, and I asked why this is of particular concern with these kits. As you point out, this happens now, like in the Duke case. I don't see this skyrocketing because these kits are available. Maybe the reading problem belongs to you. This isnt a take home kit or something personal. Its just the name of the testing they do at the hospital. You keep calling them kits like its for home pregnancy. The problem with this is that it draws DNA from the woman, whether it was consenting sex or not and you dont have to make a police report immediately. So its basically the hospital holding a mans DNA and giving the woman the opportunity to confront him and say, if you dont give me any money Im going to accuse you of rape, or tell your wife or whatever. Since there isnt any risk of the woman getting in trouble at that point because even if she changes her mind the hospital wont say anything to the police. So my point is, if a woman gets raped and goes to the hospital to get a rape kit and the police are immediately contacted and she has to give a statement, a girl would be much less likely trying to do something like this because there is no turning back for them at that point. Whereas, the new system, without consequence they can store evidence in a hospital that could be enough to get him arrested for rape whether it was consensual or not and then if the girl gets what she wants or gets spooked she can just forget about it because since the police werent notified she wont get in trouble for false accusations.

QUOTE (YASNY @ May 16, 2008 -> 09:45 AM) This is the important thing at this point. Thank your lucky stars that you didn't kill or maim someone. Put it behind you and move forward ... Just ... DON"T ... EVER ... FORGET!!!! It normally takes something very real to make people understand the consequences of driving drunk and I think this situation was his. You shouldnt let a mistake like that dictate the rest of your life though. As long as you understand the severity and make the extra effort to never do it again than people shoudlnt judge you based on a mistake.

QUOTE (jackie hayes @ May 16, 2008 -> 10:31 AM) So, you're imagining women who fake a rape, store the evidence in one of these boxes, and then go to the innocent guy and tell him to cough up the money or else it'll be opened up? That's the only way I can make sense of this... I somewhat doubt that's a real concern... You didnt read the article obviously. Its not storing evidence in personal boxes. I know its cynical to think but this situation is very real: Say a rich or famous guy meets a girl at a bar or where ever and they end up hooking up. Say for whatever reason, she either planned it all along or even just gets pissed because the guy doesnt call her. She can go to the hospital, get a rape kit without anything being reported to the police and the hospital will hang on to the dna without contacting police. Thus giving the woman the opportunity to contact the man and say, if you dont give me "X" Im going to report this as rape. Now, even if you could end up proving your innocence later on. You would still have to pay for a lawyer, go to court, and most importantly everyone would know you were accused of rape. For the rest of your life that will stick with you. Or even if a married guy cheats on his wife a girl could blackmail him because he more than likely would pay so his wife wouldnt find out. I agree that something needed to be done to make the 60% of rapes that go unreported come out so that people cant get away with them as easily. I just hope they have a plan to prevent false accusations. Look at Duke Lacrosse...Maybe, make the punishment for a false accusation or extortion the same punishment as the rape itself. I know that sounds harsh, but people have to be too scared to try and do that and harsh punishment might be the only way.

I think the premise behind this is good. Rape is one of the worst crimes there are. I just hope they have a way that they can prevent this as being used as a tactic for things like blackmail. Especially for wealthy people or celebrities. I guess you could add in married men but people might be less sympathetic but nobody deserves to be accused of rape wrongly.

QUOTE (Texsox @ May 16, 2008 -> 06:22 AM) There is a difference in liking to drink and being too drunk to type out a list. Theres also a difference in liking to drink and getting a DUI.

I still want to know what NBC was thinking with the time slot they gave to Friday Night Lights. I understand thats the premise of the show, but to actually air episodes on Friday nights during the high school football season seems like a bad idea.

So, I just watched "The Girl Next Door," the one based on Jack Ketchums novel, not the one with Emile Hirsch. Wow, the fact thats a true story is mind boggling. Based on some reading I did before seeing there were some things left out but just the idea of this happening is pretty crazy.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ May 15, 2008 -> 08:52 PM) Funny, cause it seems most SIU students are from Chicago. A lot are. Then you have all the kids that are from central Illinois but they all swear theyre from St Louis.

Theres the three "s's" of being a hick *please note that Im not using hick as a derogatory word or to offend anyone Im simply repeating what I heard when I went away to Carbondale* soda, supper, sofa

QUOTE (The Beast @ May 14, 2008 -> 10:05 PM) Why do you need to keep me out of this thread? I'm not talking about drinking right now. @ Felix: I work when I want to in a much better town than Charleston, IL and I have much more fun with the friends I have here. But hey, that's perfectly fine and it's great you have people you enjoy "doing your thing with" at your college. @ FlaSoxxJim: That sounds nice just working at a music store and eating and stuff, minus the drinking part of that and I'd be set. The thread is about people being drunk. Stupid stories and what not. Everyone here is painfully aware of your stance on drinking. So when people in this thread are talking about staying at school or going home for the summer, Im sure the bulk of that has to do with the social aspect, mainly drinking. Then you chime in and say something like, um I go home because theres ass loads of things to do at home. Now for you, drinking isnt something youre going to be doing and most college kids would prefer the freedom of being on their own at that age so they can party over the summer and this was just another instance of you trying to compare something you do that isnt drinking to what other people are doing. Which would be fine in any other thread, but not this one.

QUOTE (Brian @ May 14, 2008 -> 06:34 PM) If I could do over, I would of stayed in CDale over the summer. I went home and worked. I could of done that at school and knocked two classes out of the way. One of my buddies stayed on campus for the summer and loved it. I stayed one summer in Carbondale and it was extremely fun. Sweating your ass off walking to bars and parties though, not so much...

I have about 2k on my stiletto 2 and I swear if I put it on shuffle I will hear the same 20-30 songs over and over.

I can hear some of them and some I cant. Im over 20 so I dont know what the hell is going on but I completely wasted 2 minutes of my life trying to listen to dog whistles.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ May 12, 2008 -> 10:43 PM) Not when I was there, no I was probably getting f***ed with but I thought I heard that, or maybe the guy who owned a bunch was running for mayor

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ May 12, 2008 -> 07:34 PM) It was Carbondale, man. Anything can happen there Didnt the Mayor own a bunch of the bars too?

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ May 12, 2008 -> 07:14 PM) Last I heard beer and bowl was still at the sports center next to the mall. But I really havent checked on it in a while. Man, that was a ridiculous deal. 1.00 beers, 1.00 games, a DJ, glow bowling. They used to pack that place in Ya that was the place. I wasnt sure if it was a deal like you said or if it was like $12 all you can drink beer and bowl. I cant beleive they got away with letting kids drink there with no ids.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ May 12, 2008 -> 07:46 PM) They are working to change a lot of those things that me and you hated about it. I used to be on the top floor at WIDB all the time, that was pretty fun Do they still have beer and bowl there? If so, can they still get away with letting kids use student IDs that dont show a birthdate as an ID to drink? Im not talking about the student center obviously either, thats just what made me think of it.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ May 12, 2008 -> 12:36 PM) The student center still has a bowling alley, right? I bowled my best game ever there freshman year That student center was such a s*** hole.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ May 12, 2008 -> 06:22 PM) Premise? I think "Robots in Disguise" pretty much covers it I think. I didnt even realize what I was watching for the first hour. I thought it was a really long General Motors commercial with the kid from the Disney Channel.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ May 12, 2008 -> 03:48 PM) People either like it or loathe it. I liked it. The action was cool, the nostalgia was there for me, and I dont mind the cheesy lines. Im not looking for an Oscar winning film, just a good takeoff on a cartoon i loved as a kid I never watched the cartoon so I didnt really know what the premise was when I first watched it. It was very easy to follow and the action was good. Overall it was very entertaining.