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The above mentioned trade would just be raping the Angels. Based on that alone, it must be false. Even though I love PK, I would do it in a heartbeat.

He was not really a prospect at the time, but one might argue that we gave away Goose Gossage way too soon.

QUOTE(almagest @ Jan 5, 2008 -> 12:59 AM) Long time lurker, first time poster. Anyway, I'd like to compare last season, and career numbers for two players - Jack Egbert, and Gio Gonzalez: Egbert 2007 W L ERA G GS CG SH GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO WP BK H9 HR9 BB9 K9 WHIP GB% 12 8 3.06 28 28 0 0 0 0 161.2 138 63 55 3 44 165 6 0 7.68 0.17 2.45 9.19 1.13 -- Egbert Career (4 MiLB seasons) W L ERA G GS CG SH GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO WP BK H9 HR9 BB9 K9 WHIP GB% 35 24 2.93 104 90 4 3 0 -- 529.0 461 215 172 12 179 468 23 -- 7.84 0.20 3.05 7.96 1.21 -- Gio 2007 W L ERA G GS CG SH GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO WP BK H9 HR9 BB9 K9 WHIP GB% 9 7 3.18 27 27 0 0 0 0 150.0 116 57 53 10 57 185 5 2 6.96 0.60 3.42 11.10 1.15 -- Gio Career (4 MiLB seasons) W L ERA G GS CG SH GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO WP BK H9 HR9 BB9 K9 WHIP GB% 31 28 3.49 91 89 0 0 -- 0 492.1 400 215 191 43 206 577 23 -- 7.32 0.79 3.77 10.55 1.23 -- Egbert is two years older, but the stats are pretty close, with an edge to Egbert (IMO) due to the extra innings thrown, starts made, lower HR/9, BB/9, WHIP, and ERA. I guess the point of this comparison is to ask why so many people seem to think Gio was such a "can't miss" prospect with a ceiling of a #3 or #2 starter, when Egbert has anywhere from a slightly worse (considering the difference two years can make development-wise, though considering they both have four years experience, I'm not sure this is the case) to slightly better career line, but is considered a 4th or 5th starter at best. I think we as fans need to stop over-hyping our prospects, and realize we got a guy who can play all outfield positions as well as first base, and easily put up an 850-900 OPS for five years without breaking the bank like we would have for Hunter or Rowand. People also seem to forget we would have lost draft picks in signing either of those players as well, and that Swisher is a much safer bet to produce over the long-term than either Hunter or Rowand. And really, all we lost was a solid pitching prospect with some durability issues (Gio), an A ball pitcher who seems to project best as a short reliever (DLS), and a guy who couldn't hit over .280 in AAA, nor hit more than 13 home runs in a bandbox stadium (Sweeney). For a player with the ability and contract status of Swisher, I'd make that trade anyday. Great post! I would love to see Egbert have a great spring and open the season as the #5 starter, especially since I still have no faith in Gavin Floyd. On the other hand, I am starting to see a new side to being a Sox fan; don't get to attached to your prospects. Just a hunch, but if Egbert makes the big show, it may be in another uniform. These is something special about seeing a minor league come through the system and thrive at the big leagues. It is kind of like raising a child. But a lot more Brian Andersons have come through the system than Magglios

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 06:26 PM) Thankfully, the White Sox have neither any place to play Coco Crisp for the next several years nor do they have anything of value to trade for him. ... unless the Red Sox are looking for a .200 hitting defensive CF "prospect". Then they can have the cream of the Triple A crop, Mr. Brian Anderson!!!

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 05:38 PM) ooh, an overweight SS who barely hits his weight and a an overrated 3B who is coming off of pretty big back surgery... yeah, they wouldn't net us much, if anything. Wow. How quickly members of Soxtalk turn fickle on Joe Crede.

QUOTE(DonnyDevito @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 04:57 PM) the more i think about this, the more i like it. especially, since we'have had much more danny wrights than chris youngs. ... and yet Carl Everett keeps coming back.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 04:52 PM) I'm a bit lost by the mixing of metaphors but I think my answer is: Now I think we are getting somewhere. I remember seeing that at Bargain Books for something like $4. By coincidence, I finished it while taking a crap in the store.

QUOTE(The Beast @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 04:43 PM) Well, what do you (and everyone else think) about taking a flier on Freddy Garcia or Josh Fogg? Josh Fogg is a former White Sox pitching prospect. Therefore logically he must suck. However, since we traded him, he has developed superpowers including a 110 mph fastball and the use of a power-ring.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 04:41 PM) So who sucks worse...the team that's doing the crappy drafting or the team who is trading for all the crappy players from our crappy drafts? Or what is the sound of one hand clapping?

Perhaps more than reinforcing the crap shoot that prospects can be, this reinforces that the White Sox suck at that crap shoot known as the draft when you see the history of people they passed up.

Thought those of you looking at Colon might find this interesting. He truly is a Semi-Colon, unable to crack 90 on the radar yet unless he is driving to Pizza Hut. Semi-Colon, Bartolo that is ...

Of all the hypothetical batting orders posted here, I must say that it is nice not to see dead weight at the bottom of the order (Uribe and Anderson) like we have the past two years. Richar and Quentin could change that tough.

QUOTE(Leonard Zelig @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 02:12 PM) So Kenny hasn't been on, or what? Has anything else been said? Possible mob hit?

Juan Uribe and Crede for Santana? Santana signs 10 years for league minimun after persuasion from KW.

QUOTE(joesaiditstrue @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 12:35 PM) Kenny to speak on the Swisher trade at 1pm, per George Hoffman just now. Did he postpone his speaking engagement because he is working on something else?

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jan 3, 2008 -> 08:53 PM) Jump on the Egbert bandwagon. I'm driving, but there's room. I'd call shotgun but I am already abroad the Broadway Bus. Can I ride in the Egbert sidecar?

QUOTE(Brian @ Jan 3, 2008 -> 08:50 PM) It's more like he is no longer a Charlotte Knight. And AAAA Hall of Fame potential.

Just for kicks, I would love to ask KW if this was plan 1-B, ... 1-X, 1-Y, 1-Z, 1-AA, ...

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jan 3, 2008 -> 06:50 PM) Don't pencil me in that group, I really like Broadway and have said as much publicly. I think he is going to surprise a lot of people but I sure as hell haven't seen many people aside from myself and a couple others say much anything positive about Lance. I also think Lance has some potential and is certainly now among the best or the best pitching prospect. He still can improve, but I did like his Sept start against the Royals (it was one of the few games that I watched after July), But I had the sense that a lot of people were down on him, though he may have just been in the shadow of DLS, Gio, and co.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jan 3, 2008 -> 06:12 PM) Again, Gillick gave up Gio for a washed-up Freddy. That seems to support the notion supported by some here that he's at least somewhat overrated. He'll probably be a halfway decent starter, but we already have Danks, Floyd, and Broadway... along with Mark and Javy under contract for several more years. De Los Santos appears to have highest upside, but he's a good three years away. Sweeney is an afterthought in a suddenly-crowded outfield. I agree, but I don't think that's the point of this trade. Swisher's under contract until 2012 and he's only making $6-$8 million/year. It sounds to me like Kenny wants to rebuild around Swisher, regardless of what happens this season. Our farm system already sucks. Dealing these three guys doesn't change that. Not to pick on you here, but it seemed that the Soxtalk concensus a few months ago was that Broadway was never going to be anything special. Is the next Soxtalk trend going to be building Broadway as the next savior of the White Sox.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Jan 3, 2008 -> 05:53 PM) Now THAT I like. Who do you think we could get from the Doh-yers. Since I read that he start the year in the pen because of an overloaded roation ... Esteban Loaiza

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jan 3, 2008 -> 04:17 PM) I don't think Swisher is a good choice for CF. We saw what happened the last time we put a non-CF out there that didn't belong (see: Rob Makowiak). Square peg, round hole. DING DING DING Which is why if we trade somebody now ... it should be Dye not Konerko. And if we have this illusion that we are going to getting something for either ... *see sig

QUOTE(knightni @ Jan 3, 2008 -> 04:05 PM) http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3179423 I was trying to put a positive spin on this trade, and you ruined that angle

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Jan 3, 2008 -> 04:08 PM) Who was the last top 10 Sox pitching prospect to be an All-Star? That's a great question. Was it before the days of the draft?