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So he can't hit, doesn't know basic fundamentals.....everything is falling into place. I can see him sticking around awhile.

Given the lack of player development, it's still ridiculous that Getz got this job. It's just another example of how bad this organization is. I don't think it's a reach to suggest a team that is about to lose 120 games should clean house, including the GM, but in this organization, it's Getz's job until Reinsdorf sells the team.

Ah, thanks...I didn't realize that.

It's so bad...and it doesn't have to be, but ownership is worse than the current roster

72-90 would mean massive improvement over the current product. They need to be able to score 3-4 runs consistently, not the 0-2 runs they are doing way too often AND their young pitching would need to be reliable for them to make a significant jump. Assuming they rely primarily on rookie/young unproven MLB talent again next season, it's hard to see them not losing at least 100 games, even with some improvement. They would need to surprise us with something unexpected like keeping Crochet and Robert (while getting them performing at all-star levels), making an unexpected significant addition or their young players avoiding rookie development

Why wouldn't they just keep them both with the roster expanded? At this point...none of this matters I guess.

Yep, can't disagree. If they are going to sell us on being a small market team, they need to develop talent everywhere, not just left handed pitchers. Else they will be a continuous uncompetitive team. White Sox should be doing both though - spending and developing,

If their offense could score 3-4 runs (still not enough) vs. 0-3 most days next season, that is their best path towards being around 100 losses vs. 120 assuming their young pitching is able to keep them in most games. I do agree that I would guess another 2-3 1 year type deals for an OF, maybe a 3B type and another 1-2 starting pitchers to compete next season. That's probably it, but they should be spending. I'm not holding my breath on that happening though and, even when they do, it will be with handcuffs. I would not start the season with any of their young players and would manipulate service time.

Any ideas on who they would spend $$ on if they trade Crochet?

That's the flaw in this "rebuild". If Noah Schultz, Drew Thorpe or Hagan Smith work out, we'll be talking about trading them in 2-3 years as well. I'm not sure how sustainable building a team around pitching that will be traded if they are good will be.

Yeah, if their plan is to sign guys like DeJong, trade for borderline MLB backups like Lopez, Fletcher, etc., there's no reason to see this improving. If they trade their best offensive weapon in Robert, and then lean on guys like Montgomery/Quero, just seems like we are asking too much of them early on. Barfield says they need to address (improve) the offense. Just not sure I'm understanding how they plan on doing this without impacting their pitching and not spending money. It's hard to be a White Sox fan.

I heard Barfield say that the White Sox would be looking to address their offense in the off-season.... OK, makes sense. The offense has at least 6 for sure outs almost every day and their better hitters would be amongst the worst on most average hitting teams. It's a historically bad offense capable of being shut out everyday and scoring 3 runs in a game is considered an outburst. Questions.... How is this going to happen? By all accounts, they don't appear interested in spending this off-season. Are there any realistic off-season free agent signings that aren't light hitting IF types? Is there any chance they would sign a veteran, even overpay, to improve the offense? Who are realistic candidates? They may trade Luis Robert this off-season. He has had a bad season. His trade value is probably down significantly and he is now seen as a talented player who is also injury prone and an underachieving OF with a questionable contract....If they trade him, it will probably be motivated by saving $$$ than it is returning talent. Their best bet is to hold Robert and move him next trading deadline if he stays healthy and returns to an elite level. That's probably the best way to improve the offense is to get him right, but will they do that with a motivation to move $$$? They will likely trade Crochet and that's probably the best guess as to how they plan to improve their offense, but teams are reluctant to trade top young talent these days. Even if the Sox got what is considered to be a good return, we're still talking about young players who may/may not be ready for the majors and/or who are still unproven talent. If he traded, I would guess that 1 player in return would be ready for next season and maybe they get a 2nd player who isn't far away. Can they count on Montgomery for next season given his struggles for this season? When will Quero be on the major league roster? Is he likely to start the season in the majors or will he be up in May+? If he a full-time catcher or will they let him DH/1B at times and pair him with Lee? Is there anyone else from the minor league system that is a legitimate prospect and not an average one who may/may not pan out? I consider guys like Baldwin, Ramos (and Bush, Nastrini, probably Cannon from the pitching side).... Pitching is the strength of their minor leagues. Do they plan on trading from strength to address their hitting? Why not keep Crochet and go with him, Thorpe, Shultz, Hagen Smith (both later in the season), Cannon and some veteran on a year deal (similar to what they did this past off-season)? Most expect next season to be similar to this season. Over 100 losses, maybe not an all-time bad season....but I think we have become conditioned to expect the White Sox to operate like they are a smaller market type team. Why not actually consider keeping a young rotation intact (meaning keep Crochet) and actually look to bring in a few free agents to improve the offense? They can still keep building their farm system through the draft, but they are busy selling us on a 5 year plan that will eventually lead them to trading any young pitchers who work out from this rebuild, meaning they wont' have more than than 2 year window before we're back to this again....

Agreed. We have become conditioned to accept that the White Sox must go through some elongated rebuilding process without any guarantee of return except 100+ loss seasons for this year and next year. Will this team spend on any sought after free agents? Will they keep their current young pitching talent? If the answer is no, what is the point of any of this? The organization isn't serious and won't sustain winning outside of short stretches should everything work out with their own self-induced limitations.

What is considered "high dollar"? The White Sox don't spend on that type of talent.

To a point, it's not wise to be a big spender in free agency when you're rebuilding. You also can't let things to get a point where you are the worst team in MLB history. You can rebuild and spend some money without making moves that handicap the future. You also don't have a budget so the idea of a rebuild that goes this badly and will likely take as long as it will to get back to some form of respectability (not even competing for anything) is flat out laughable.

This is why we can't have anything good. We're a major league team, supposedly a larger market team, who operates on the possibility of trading players because they may get hurt in the future and we're operating on a 3 - 5 year plan to get the team back into some form of competitiveness. Crazy that we are conditioned to think that rebuilding is needed to this level while also accepting that we won't pay for our talent and will need to do this again once it's time to spend money. Maybe the White Sox do trade Crochet for some prospects that everyone gets excited about, but do the Cubs, Red Sox, Dodgers, other big teams routinely operate like this and get us conditioned to just accept this?

No couch jokes please.

I don't think anyone is going to defend Grifol as a legitimate manager, but this problem starts at the top. How can Reinsdorf promote his minor league talent development guy (Getz) for a team that hasn't really developed much outside of some pitching, mainly left handed starting pitchers? This roster is atrocious. Even the minor league talent, while improving on paper, appears somewhat top heavy and won't be enough to win with without spending money. Unless the White Sox are willing to spend money AND develop a minor league system, we'll be firing the next manager in 2 years and complaining about how awful this person is. If the White Sox were serious about putting together a competitive team, why trade Crochet for minor league talent? They can start next season (or early in) with Crochet, Schultz, Thorpe and Cannon. That is a reason for hope, but unfortunately, we know the clock is ticking on any pitcher who may have market value. They probably will have Montgomery/Quero in the majors next season. Why not complement them, Robert/Vaughn (for now) with 2-3 significant talent upgrades? I don't want to hear about this team developing talent and winning the "right away". If they can't commit to spending on this team and keeping their current talent, nothing will change.

Hawk was also a cheerleader, but he also had a reputation/persona from his playing career. Some fans loved him, and he had his detractors. Schiffen is just over the top on praising things that people aren't seeing or think is ridiculous on a daily basis. I don't care about who he is replacing or how bad the team is, etc. Just call the game that's in front of us, you don't need any tag lines...

I don't hear enough of that show to know, but I'm curious how he would be so piped into a team he doesn't cover and has so much turnover. I probably don't think of this guy as someone people are dropping information on because when I have heard him, he comes across as a clown. I don't listen enough though to know if my take on him is accurate, it's more just surprising that he would have more, or better, information that people who actually cover the team (although I don't know that anyone covering the team knows more than many of the people here).

He comes across as a cheerleader. Completely ridiculous in finding something positive daily when the team is the worst in MLB history. Just doesn't come across as serious when he's saying things that nobody believes.

That's an issue with "21st century journalism". Everyone has an impeccable source even if it's made up, not trustworthy, etc, but if it creates attention or gives yourself 15 minutes of fame....

When did Shane Riordan become a reliable source for the White Sox? With all of the turnover on the roster, who exactly is feeding him information? Gavin Sheets? Andrew Vaughn? Just seems like a stretch to take a guy who isn't a reporter as not only a reporter, but as having "inside sources"....I know that's a thing though for reporters to claim to have when most of these don't actually exist or aren't reliable... Also saw Awful Announcing saying that the Parkins/Spiegal show has been reliable on breaking news with the White Sox. What are they talking about? The Score, particularly the midday show, have become a bunch of social justice/race hustling garbage content.

Please do the same for me

I guess he's saying that the White Sox can keep Crochet and Robert. I wouldn't say though they are in an enviable position. That obviously way overstating things.