Steff

I think he wants the division more than a play of spot, the cocky little thing that he is. I'm gonna go with Brandon to start game one if it's between the 2.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 28, 2005 -> 10:59 AM) The division or just a playoff spot? I'm not certain that "wasting" a start just to win the division is better than having him start game 1 of the playoffs. If the playoff spot is assured, trot Brandon out there and let Contraras start game 1. Division title + Contraras start An Ozzie clip this morning on AM1000 stated that Contraras would start Sunday if the game decided the division. Don't shoot the messenger, please.

QUOTE(VAfan @ Sep 28, 2005 -> 10:45 AM) We're right on track. Contreras, Garcia, Buehrle, Garland, McCarthy. The only thing that might change next Tuesday is to flip Buehrle and Garcia so that Buehrle pitches at home and Garcia pitches on the road. I think McCarthy will make the postseason squad, but I don't know who will get cut to make room for him. Vizcaino? We can't afford to carry 12 pitchers with the offensive woes we've had. Contraras will start on short rest if the division is on the line Sunday.

QUOTE(Mercy! @ Sep 27, 2005 -> 10:36 PM) In Illinois, as in most states, a person is a minor until the age of 18. But it does range all the way up to 21 in a couple of states. http://www.webistry.net/jan/consent.html Not over 18 anywhere in the US. Sadly.. 14 in Hawaii, Iowa, and some circumstances in South Carolina. 15 in several also.

QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Sep 27, 2005 -> 08:15 AM) If you have disposible income, yep you sure can. For the rest of us, it's a really nice f*** off. And even for those with the disposable income it's a nice f*** off.. I don't understand how those profiting don't think it's a big deal. They are still paying.. just doesn't hurt the pocket book as much.

Nice.. don't name them. Let the risk linger of them getting another job around children and continuing their sick actions. :headshake Must be the poor education they got as children... :rolly

QUOTE(Mercy! @ Sep 26, 2005 -> 05:37 PM) Steff – Like I said, I wasn’t pointing a finger and I’m sorry you’re taking this personally, for some reason. I was referring to this post by SOMEONE ELSE: Can we at least agree that no species of snake in New Orleans would eat people, dead or alive? Well... you said it was said, I said it, so I wanted to be sure it was noted that I corrected it. That's all. Nothing more. Nothing less. I dunno about snakes.. but did you see that Crock I posted last week...

QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Sep 26, 2005 -> 05:22 PM) We've not sold it yet, but it's one of the VERY few farms (albeit only 5 acres) that hasn't been sold. Partly because my uncles won't get their s*** out of there, but whatever. That's probably helping the value increase further. Do you know how the property taxes work on that? Like, if you live in Joliet but your kids go to Plainfield--who gets the money? Not 100% sure on this because we have yet to attend a village meeting and hear it from the horses mouth, but what I've been told is that the money is paid to the village you live in, then by address they sort out out who's going where and a "bill" is sent. So the village of Joliet gets a bill from Plainfield and they sort out the funds that way. As for your grandparents property, it can only keep going up. As long as the taxes are managable, I'd hold on to it.

Yes, it was corrected, and I know because it was me that said it and corrected myself. And it was not from WGN that I heard it, it was from FEMA and MSNBC. And it's earlier in this thread.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Sep 26, 2005 -> 04:33 PM) Just on an aside, this stuff is neat to talk about, and more people should care, because I think a lot of people underestimate just how big an impact schooling makes. I didn't think about it until my sister decided to move here. I always said "eh.. I'll worry about it when I have kids". Like I said earlier, it's been a real eye opener learning about this stuff.

QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Sep 26, 2005 -> 04:32 PM) I don't know, I mean, I think the website you posted is kind of decptive. Places like Oswego have pretty variable pay rates--but the most senior teachers (looked up my old ones) are making around 100,000. But the average rate is dragged waaaaaaaay down by the HUGE amount of new teachers because the area is growing and adding schools so rapidly. So, I don't know if averages are the best option because it doesn't tell the whole story. And school administrators, I agree way overpaid. Give that money to the poor fools in the trenches. Someone said "look up the averages" The senior teachers at Plainfield HS are making in the $90 range although this list does not reflect that $$. They are definitely overpaid... to the tune of $400K...

QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Sep 26, 2005 -> 04:28 PM) Yeah, but look at all those new developments in Joliet--I mean they are annexing a lot of land and getting really nice housing built onto them. And some of the older parts aren't that bad. I know my grandparents farm (recently annexed into Joliet) is worth a whole hell of a lot. Although, I'm not sure how that split works, since a lot of those kids in "Joliet" go to Plainfield and the surrounding schools. We just bought another house in Joliet... the average is just about $270K right now (and that's on the high side). I know the property is being bought up for top dollar (good for your grandparents), but sooner (rather than later) they are going to run out of room because people are not going to want to be much closer to the prison then they currently are. Probably another reason the selling price is up there. They can't build any more new stuff any closer to 80 or 55 because those people wont sell (combo of being old, poor, and scared to make a change). And you're right about the way the schools are split. A lot of Joliet kids go into Plainfield and a lot of the Shorewood kids go into Joliet. Since my sister is moving here I have been looking into the school stuff for her daughter and it's been a real eye opener.

And Naperville 203 should be way above $100K if it's based on income also I would think. Most of the homes sold in that district are in the upper $500K to low $800K.

QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Sep 26, 2005 -> 04:24 PM) I was always under the impression that average income in the community/house prices were positively correlated teacher pay. If that was the case then the Joliet $$ is waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy lopsided.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Sep 26, 2005 -> 04:22 PM) How tenured are the first two? His daughter just started year 7, and daughter in law year 5.

QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Sep 26, 2005 -> 04:14 PM) And I bet they aren't in the wealthy suburbs. To me, that's just another example of classism and the wealth divide in this nation. Jim's daughter is a counselor in Bolingbrook making $28K, his son's wife is one in Romeoville making $32K. Would those area's be considered wealthy.. I'm not sure, but I know there are neighborhoods in both where $300K houses are the norm. A girlfriend of mine is a teacher in Chicago making just over $60K (been teaching for just under 10 years). I wouldn't call Lyons "wealthy" but the average there is among the highest at $80K and the Admin average in Joliet shocks me at $99K. I always got the impression that the "rougher" the job, the more they made.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Sep 26, 2005 -> 04:10 PM) Avg teacher salary at my HS: $41,673 The list of all of them is way long, but there are some making in the 30k range in Illinois.

http://www.thechampion.org/teacher/cgi-bin...admin&year=2004 Average Administrator Salary 2004 by district search results. District Name Average Salary ANNAWAN COMM UNIT SCH DIST 226 $99,985 SCHOOL DISTRICT 46 $99,907 MAINE TWP SPEC EDUC PROGRAM $99,592 COMM UNIT SCH DIST 300 $99,552 JOLIET TWP HS DIST 204 $99,512 WAUCONDA COMM UNIT S DIST 118 $99,396 CAREER & TECH EDUC CONSORTIUM $99,271 MAHOMET-SEYMOUR C U SCH DIST 3 $99,253 BELLEVILLE TWP HS DIST 201 $99,251 EVERGREEN PARK COMM HI SCH D 231 $99,206 BRADLEY SCHOOL DIST 61 $99,130 CARY C C SCHOOL DIST 26 $99,037 PEKIN COMM H S DIST 303 $98,923 KOMAREK SCHOOL DIST 94 $98,896 WARREN C U SCH DIST 222 $98,765 LOW INCIDENCE COOP AGREEMENT $98,683 SCH DISTRICT 45 DUPAGE COUNTY $98,367 HOLLIS CONS SCHOOL DIST 328 $98,231 PRAIRIE-HILLS ELEM SCH DIST 144 $98,086 CONSOLIDATED SCHOOL DISTRICT 158 $98,074 INDIAN PRAIRIE C U SCH DIST 204 $97,989 NAPERVILLE C U DIST 203 $97,940 CRETE MONEE C U SCHOOL DIST 201U $97,887 ELMWOOD PARK C U SCH DIST 401 $97,877 BROOKWOOD SCHOOL DIST 167 Average Teacher Salary 2004 by district search results. Click 'District Name' to re-sort data by that field. District Name Average Salary TOWNSHIP H S DIST 211 $80,082 PEORIA EDUC REG FOR EMPL TRAING $8,806 TOWNSHIP HIGH SCHOOL DIST 113 $79,166 LYONS TWP H S DIST 204 $79,163 GLENBARD TWP H S DIST 87 $78,984 NEW TRIER TWP H S DIST 203 $78,427 LEYDEN COMM H S DIST 212 $78,216 NORTHFIELD TWP HIGH SCH DIST 225 $77,909 EVANSTON TWP H S DIST 202 $77,206 TOWNSHIP HIGH SCHOOL DIST 214 $77,183 HINSDALE TWP H S DIST 86 $76,506 LAKE PARK COMM H S DIST 108 $76,109 FENTON COMM H S DIST 100 $75,873 THORNTON TWP H S DIST 205 $75,647 ADLAI E STEVENSON DIST 125 $74,944 ARGO COMM H S DIST 217 $74,299 MAINE TOWNSHIP H S DIST 207 $74,121 NILES TWP COMM HIGH SCH DIST 219 $74,009 REAVIS TWP H S DIST 220 $72,646 OAK PARK & RIVER FOREST DIST 200 $72,573 LAKE FOREST COMM H S DISTRICT 115 $72,553 CONS HIGH SCHOOL DISTRICT 230 $72,519 SENECA TWP H S DIST 160 $71,858 COMMUNITY HIGH SCHOOL DIST 99 $71,532 BREMEN COMM H S DISTRICT 228 $71,157 DU PAGE HIGH SCHOOL DIST 88 $70,740 COMMUNITY HIGH SCHOOL DIST 155 $70 Full list at link above.

I don't know about the other stuff, but the "million might die" was corrected to "a million homeless". Which is near correct. And I would not doubt animals eating human remains at all.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9492624/ Army private convicted in Abu Ghraib case England convicted of six out of seven counts in prison abuse scandal Updated: 3:49 p.m. ET Sept. 26, 2005 FORT HOOD, Texas - Army Pfc. Lynndie England, whose smiling poses in photos of detainee abuse at Abu Ghraib made her the face of the scandal, was convicted Monday by a military jury on all but one of the seven counts she faced. England, 22, was found guilty of one count of conspiracy, four counts of maltreating detainees and one count of committing an indecent act. She was acquitted on a second conspiracy count. The jury of five male officers needed slightly more than two hours to reach its verdict. Her case now moves into the sentencing phase, which will determined by the same jury of five Army officers. She faces a maximum of 10 years in prison. England's trial is the last for a group of nine Army reservists charged with mistreating prisoners at Abu Ghraib. Two others have been convicted at trial and the remaining six made plea deals. Several of those soldiers testified at England's trial. Prosecutors in the case portrayed her in closing arguments Monday as an eager participant with a “sick” sense of humor, while defense attorneys described her as a weak-minded pawn trying to appease a sadistic boyfriend. Jurors heard competing descriptions of the 22-year-old reservist from Fort Ashby, W.Va., during closing arguments. “The accused knew what she was doing,” said Capt. Chris Graveline, the lead prosecutor. “She was laughing and joking. ... She is enjoying, she is participating, all for her own sick humor.” Defense says England smitten with ringleader Capt. Jonathan Crisp, England’s defense lawyer, countered that England’s actions were at the behest of Pvt. Charles Graner Jr., with whom she was having a romantic relationship. Graner, then a corporal, has been labeled the abuse ringleader by prosecutors. “She was a follower, she was an individual who was smitten with Graner,” Crisp said. “She just did whatever he wanted her to do.” Graveline said any subservience England felt toward Graner was not a legal excuse. “You have the same moral responsibility whether you’re a leader or a follower,” he said. England’s trial is the last for a group of nine Army reservists charged with mistreating prisoners at Abu Ghraib. Two others have been convicted, including Graner, and the remaining six made plea deals. Several of those soldiers testified during England’s trial. Graphic photos show England with prisoners Prosecutors used graphic photos of England to support their contention that she was a key member of the abuse conspiracy. They included one of England holding a naked detainee on a leash and pointing to other prisoners in humiliating poses. They also pointed to her own statement to Army investigators in January 2004 in which she said the mistreatment was done to amuse the U.S. guards at Abu Ghraib. The defense team argued that England suffered from depression and that she has an overly compliant personality, while Army psychiatrist called by prosecutors testified she interviewed England and found no evidence of depression or other personality disorders. In May, England tried to plead guilty to all the same counts she faced at the trial in exchange for an undisclosed sentencing cap. But the deal was thrown out during the sentencing phase when testimony by Graner contradicted England’s guilty plea.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Sep 26, 2005 -> 12:54 PM) Nice to see you again, Juggs. Not. So it's all public education's fault and not the fault of the parents at all, huh? So nice to see that you have the "blame everyone else" game down except where TRUE responsibility lies, and that's at home with the parents. You almost seemed surprised...

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Sep 26, 2005 -> 02:22 PM) Again, I'm always late. Anyway, happy birthday!!! Can you have one everyday so the Sox win everyday? They had me wearing this Happy Birthday tiera thing.. apparently that was the good luck charm and I must wear it to every game I attend for the rest of the year..

I am this/close to heading to Detroit... 99.9 going to Cleveland.

Thank you again, everyone. Great day, despite the rain. Actually watching the KC game was a good thing. Couldn't have asked for a better day. And I got a Trio 650 to replace the Sony Ericsson S710a, which turned out to be a piece of poop when trying to watch MLB.Com.

QUOTE(mreye @ Sep 26, 2005 -> 11:59 AM) It could have been better if they had the game on the big screen during the rain delay and it happened then. Still, had to be pretty awesome! We were watching in the SC. When they tied the game the cheers were louder then when the Bears scored minutes before. Good times..