Steff

QUOTE(chiguy79 @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 02:52 PM) I don't think so....$10mm in the life of Mark Buerhle is not going to make or break his financial well-being...if he is dumb enough to blow $50mm he would sure enough blow through $60mm if he had it. Mark Buerhle VIII (the eighth) should be covered for his lifetime as well. Well I guess he could go broke if he gets divorced a few times, that seems to cost quite a bit (ask Frank Thomas)...but I am sure they still get a MLB pension, which OJ simpson still lives fine off his NFL pension. Hi Mark's accountant. :rolleyes.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 02:48 PM) There probably isn't too much a difference to Buerhle if he makes $50 million or $100 million, but he would hate 20,30, 40, 50 years from now to find out there was. There's more than a couple of players who were apparently set for life, finding out otherwise. Also the union would be concerned about the effect it would have on similar pitcher's contract offers. It conceivable could lower the "market rate." You can be pissed off at the union all you want, but its probably been as successful as any in history. If he's considering signing this reported contract, you can be assured he's being pressured not to. Shut up DA you don't know what you are talking about...

QUOTE(ChiSox9 @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 02:46 PM) Seriously, I dont see a big difference in $50 and $70 million... and if a player has the mindset that: I want to finish my career with enough money to retire and sit on my ass, provide for my family, send my children to college at no cost and die a happy man why should anyone outside of the player himself get involved in the process. Hell, give me $1 mill for 10 years pitching for the sox and id die a happy man. Not everyone NEEDS the biggest house on the block, the nicest cars, the most expensive clothes... outside of inheritance to your kids what the f*** are you going to do will all the millions you got when you die?? Leave it to your kids and grandkids. QUOTE(iamshack @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 02:44 PM) Are you kidding me? If he can't make the money he has earned during his career last for 5 lifetimes, he has a seriously pathetic financial advisor. Mark's already made, what, $30 million roughly in his career, with another $50-60 coming in this deal, and probably another substantial contract left. He'll be fine, I trust. No, I'm not kidding you. And I am also not speaking for Mark. I am posting a hypothetical situation and one I would not blame Mark for following. It's none of your business, nor mine, how much money Mark thinks he will need the rest of his life, and I would support him, as well as anyone, trying to get the maximum amount for his talent.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 02:34 PM) I'm assuming there is an actual difference it would make on your lifestyle. At some point, you're making so much damn money it doesn't really matter anymore, you just want to be in the place you want to be. What's the damn difference between having $50 million and having $60 million in your bank account on your daily lifestyle? Not much. But what might the difference be in living where you are comfortable and living where you aren't? I would imagine it could be quite substantial. To you and I, it seems like no difference at all. Today versus tomorrow I would agree there is not one. However, in 10 years when Mark is 38 and his arm is s*** and he can't "work" anymore and must rely on that $$ to last him the rest of his life it will make a difference.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 02:32 PM) I wasn't challenging your response, Steff. I was mentioning another deal where a discount was given. And if there are no negative implications other than the MLBPA getting themselves in a tizzy about the contract, who the hell cares if they get involved? You stated "you bet your ass they would" when commenting on whether they would get involved. Well tell me what are the implications upon the White Sox of their involvement then? If those are not significant tangible negative implications, I could give a sh*t if they get involved or not. I've already stated my opinion on the matter. They are not going to like a player of Mark's calibur setting the bar so low. What ramifications come after that, I don't know, and likely never will since I can't imagine Mark would do this deal. It's not in his best interest. QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 02:33 PM) There's some choice, ah, phrases that come to mind. What is your "value" anyway? More than yours.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 02:26 PM) Probably not right away, but you can bet that they'd use it during the negotiations for the next CBA. Didn't the MLBPA win a collusion suit against MLB owners back in the mid-80's? They could threaten to do that again. Also consider that Jerry Reinsdorf and Donald Fehr aren't exactly the best of buddies. Mark signing a contract that's $20 million+ under market value could create some very serious problems. But it would prove that he likes it here... waa, waa, waa, bla, bla, bla, yadda, yadda, yadda... Good grief. I like it at my job too but I aint working for less than my decided value.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 02:20 PM) What about Chris Carpenter's deal though? Wasn't it 5/65? That's basically the same deal, but 1 year longer and 500k a year more than the number being mentioned here. The MLBPA would be frustrated by this deal, but their involvement would have no implications upon anything. What part of "of course they can't force a player to do something" did you not understand?

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 02:09 PM) Oswalt signed a contract that could be described as below market value last year and he is a better pitcher then Buerhle. Buerhle is 2 and a half months off of a terrible season. Market value is a relative term. The union will not aid Buerhle should he play the season out and injure himself. Roy's deal was $70M ish.. perhaps a bit under market, but not $20 MILLION under market.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 02:07 PM) They cannot force a player to walk away from a deal he wishes to accept because he wants to stay in a particular place. They can admonish him if they choose, but they cannot quash an extension of 4/50 simply because it is below market-value offer. Several players have chosen to accept below-market deals to accomodate a team which they really wanted to stay with. Buehrle would be perhaps the highest profile to do so, but we're talking about money that 12-18 months ago would have been extremely substantial. Remember, AJ Burnett's deal at 5/55 was viewed as exhorbitant back in 05'. Simply because prices skyrocketted last season does not mean 4/50 is somehow a ridiculous deal. Take your mind out of the current landscape just for a moment, and that's still one hell of an extension. And in 2 years, when Mark is making $12.5 annually, I'll bet there are plenty of pitchers similarly talented that are struggling to get that number annually. Of course they can not force him to do anything, and I didn't see anyone claim they would. I do not refute anything else in your post but that.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 01:56 PM) If they get involved in this and Buerhle blows his elbow out next week who gives him the $50M he turned down? The Boston deal was A-Rod forfeiting money was it not? Buerhle is not giving anything away here. I didn't post the comparison, so you can go debate that with the person that did. They will step in here because a player of Mark's ability should (and will) get more than $12M a year, and they will not allow the Sox to set the market that low to protect Mark as well as others. QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 01:48 PM) Is Buerhle's agent in Tampa as reported? If so, did Bruce ask him why he is there and thus explain why this rumor should not be going on? I think Levine comes off as an egomaniac. He is also very biased toward the cub and would like nothing more than to keep the press away the Sox and focused on the cub. Bruce is going to lie on Mark's agent...? Are you serious?

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 01:42 PM) Or maybe he just wants the Chicago Media Machine to shut up for a while. Saying that they're currently talking would just fuel the fire and lead to more incorrect information being thrown around. Agreed that Mark's a good guy who would likely give the Sox a break, but 4/50 is just insanely low. The MBLPA might get involved if Mark accepted an offer like that. You bet your ass they would.

QUOTE(Beastly @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 11:40 AM) It makes me wonder if Buehrle's father was the source for the deal for the score. That make zero sense.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 11:33 AM) Offman continues to report this like it's a done deal. "So Buehrle is staying a Jaque Jones . . . he might be staying too." Dear god this is a clusterf*** of ineptitude. Offman is FOS. And I'm going further to say that there was never ever anthing to support this bs.

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 11:33 AM) I will say this... The Score keeps promoting the Brute and the Highlands at Grand Geneva. I golfed there earlier this month and both courses were in tip top shape!! I agree 100%.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 11:30 AM) It's almost surely a move by the Sox to use the media to bump up Buehrle's trade value. And to piss Mark off. Yea, that would be just brilliant.

QUOTE(watchtower41 @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 11:26 AM) they certainly left ESPN 1000 for a lot less, who knows, we could be listening to the Sox on B96 next year. ROTFLMAO.. The killer beeeee..

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 11:22 AM) Well according to ESPN 1000 Buehrle's agent says THERE HAVE BEEN NO NEW CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN HIS CLIENT AND THE WHITE SOX. Imagine that. Did Bruce or Bryan report it?

In my very STRONG opinion, this is bulls*** - and not just the reported deal but that they are even talking at all right now - and I hope there is backlash. I'd like to revise my opinion... no way in hell this is true.

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 11:12 AM) Why in the world would he accept less than or the same that they gave Vazquez? He's their #1 guy. Do you want an answer even though it's not the same as what they gave Vaz...?

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 10:58 AM) I have this weird feeling that someone said "4 at 15" (as in each year) over the phone, and it was misheard as "4 at 50" (as in total). That would make a lot more sense. QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 10:59 AM) Think Buerhle would do a Tom Brady and out of respect for the organization take less money. Think he said, I'd take 4/$50 but you need to sign Garland..............or Rowand Umm.. no.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 10:50 AM) That's exactly why I keep saying this is bulls***. I guess we'll see. The $$'s are so idiotic I'm ashamed to even ask anyone if it's true.. LOL.

QUOTE(SoxPride56 @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 10:46 AM) http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6967378 Well, this says that sorces are telling FoxSports he could sign. Unless his hand is broken, he can sign. Thank you Fox Sports for that breaking news. :rolleyes.

4/$50M....? Apparently it's "let's get high before we go on the air day" at the Score. If Mark signs this deal, he's stupid. I would suspect the union would beat his ass as well.

QUOTE(Shadows @ Jun 27, 2007 -> 03:03 AM) Yeah thank god, since no one was defending him or anything Maybe he's talking about the avitar thing..? I don't know what else it can be cause there are many posts in this thread with angry expression towards CB and his actions.

QUOTE(Chisoxrd5 @ Jun 26, 2007 -> 11:26 PM) What kind of defect? Did they only run flat, and not full? The band inside was shreading and it gave the tires road growl.