G&T

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Dec 9, 2008 -> 02:22 PM) True, but we also don't know the full details about those discussions. Perhaps the hang-up is that the Sox want more if they're to be eating salary or assuming a bad contract like Ryan Freel, while the Reds feel that to give up more they'd have to get more. On paper, Gorkys is a much better prospect than Dickerson, Roenicke, and Maloney who have been mentioned by Reds fans, and Morton may be a safer bet to become a good pitcher in the big leagues than Bailey is. Bailey obviously has the highest ceiling, but it's very possible that Kenny wants to get back a couple of players as sort of a safety net. I wouldn't call it quantity over quality, but it's possible Kenny is looking for a good player who is a safer bet along with another player with bigger potential, and that guy can be the wildcard of the deal. Morton's numbers don't look very good. I'm doubtful he's a MLB pitcher much less a safe bet.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Dec 9, 2008 -> 02:06 PM) I'd expect Blanco the least likely to be dealt. He's shown he can play CF, hit MLB pitching and walk whereas Schafer just got busted for roids. They still might want to hang on to Schafer, but I could see him falling down the depth chart quickly. That said, if Schafer isn't on the table (since Heyward and Hanson won't be and Blanco is unlikely) I'd like a Morton + Gorkys package, and if possible and the Braves are really down on JoJo, send a low-level prospect in the deal and pick him up too. Well the Braves have to trade someone. If the Sox want Bailey+ for Dye, then they aren't settling for Morton and Gorkys. The need someone ready this year.

QUOTE (Sox It To Em @ Dec 9, 2008 -> 01:54 PM) Any chance Atlanta is willing to part with Jair Jurrjens? Just looking at his stats, I'd say no chance in hell.

QUOTE (103 mph screwball @ Dec 9, 2008 -> 01:46 PM) Me too. I just can't see KC allowing Greinke to end up with the Sox. Greinke is a real good looking young ball player according to HAWK. He's a pretty good pitcher too. Although, didn't he kinda quit one season? If Hanson is not untouchable, that is the guy to get. Let the Braves keep Greinke. Greinke had a mental breakdown because he'd never played for a team as bad as the Royals and wasn't used to losing...er, at least that's the story he told.

Cowley is on the Score. Despite what he wrote this morning, it doesn't sound like Dye will get moved unless he gets a better offer than Bailey. Anything we've heard about Jenks is likely not true. There's no interest in moving him. Doesn't look like an FA's will be signed, even if Dye is traded.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Dec 9, 2008 -> 10:28 AM) pretty good article here from the hardball times on the enigma that is vazquez http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/...javier-vazquez/ Hawk was on the Score and said they tried to tell him everything that article suggests. Hawk said the Javy would go out and forget most of what he's told.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Dec 9, 2008 -> 09:05 AM) sounds like the mets are about to get K-Rod for 3 years 37 Wow. So much for that $75M, eh?

QUOTE (daa84 @ Dec 9, 2008 -> 08:40 AM) the f***ing cubs are gonna get peavy for a package of marquis (addition by subtraction) felix pie, josh vitters and a bag of balls....if thats honestly all it takes im gonna be irate Seriously. The names involved are ridiculous. However, Rosenthal says that no deal will go through until the new Cubs ownership is announced because they have to approve of the money. But no one else is saying that.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 9, 2008 -> 12:37 AM) I wouldn't be surprised if KW is happy with just Bailey or, if the Sox are willing to kick in some cash, Bailey+. Because I can't imagine that there's any way the Sox will eat some of the contract and just get Bailey in return. I'm under the impression that the Reds want Dye + cash for Bailey as we sit right now. That would be dumb. But the Reds needed money to get the Freel deal done, so obviously they aren't willing to take on much salary. Plus, the Reds announced that they won't raise ticket prices because they sucked so much.

Leno is such a weasel. I still remember the day he announced when he'd retire so no feud would errupt over who took over. Then he pulls this s***. He has pictures of someone.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 10:09 PM) This is a classic example of the grass is always greener on the other side argument. Lillibridge hit .220 with 4 homers and struck out at a higher clip than Juan Uribe ever did with the White Sox in AAA last year. Uribe was hated. He needed to be released. Yet this guy who also pounded out 4 homers has people excited. I will never understand. No this is the classic example of Heads being drunk and posting.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 08:49 PM) Yep, and it would be for one year, and I doubt he'd sign an extension in this baseball economy. He'd be a perfect 1 year stop gap before Beckham is ready. The problem is not the 2nd basemen in the system, it's the players the O's will ask for.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 06:19 PM) The Cubs are trying to move Cedeno for talent, of course most GM's already know that he will be non-tendered anyway, so they will wait for that shoe to drop. Apparently they also are "refusing" to trade MIke Fontenot. If he is untouchable, not sure what Jim Hendry actually values. I see them signing Ibanez in the next 2 weeks for RF. Sox have had discussions with the Dodgers, not sure what about though. How bout this for speculation Fox

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 04:42 PM) Supposedly, he really, really wants to play for them. I have no idea why, as the cold weather will be hell on his fragile elbow. I feel like there is a correlation between that option and the lack of talent going to the Padres. I don't know what it is though.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 04:34 PM) I have no idea where that team could possibly be finding this much money with all the other contracts they have. Unless Peavy REALLY wants to play for the Cubs, and he might, he's got to be dangling that option.

I'd guess that the Cubs are the only team willing to pick up the $22M option for Peavy to waive his NTC. That would limit the suitors real quick.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 03:33 PM) True. Belt, wallet, assless chaps, and two shoes = five four. The person below me plans on giving at least one person a bottle of booze as a Christmas gift. True. In fact, I'm getting one as well. The person below is going to accomplish nothing this week because of the Winter Meetings.

Rosenthal Cabrera's options narrow. If Detroit was ever really an option.

QUOTE (103 mph screwball @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 03:23 PM) I don't think Pierre is good enough to demand things. I could see him coming back to the Sox in a trade. The Sox want speed and a leadoff hitter. Ozzie won a ring in Florida with him. It could be worked out so that Pierre's salary offset some of JD's so that it might entice the Dodgers to give up better talent because they do not have to take on so much salary. If the Sox get a guy who they feel is a solid leadoff hitter and some young talented pitching, I could see KW giving this serious consideration. The Dodger's Jermaine Dye and get rid of Pierre and his trade demand. They could let Manny walk and go after CC. I should clarify. Rosenthal said "requested." I'm sure the Dodgers would be happy to move him anyway. And no, the Sox should not want Pierre.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 03:11 PM) Remember, it's only noon in Vegas. Yeah, I know. I was sitting here at noon eastern wondering what the hell was going on, then I realized it 9am there and they were just recovering from their hangovers.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 03:08 PM) Yeah I had Rotoworld and MLBtraderumors, but I didn't know if they're running blogs by Gonzalez or something. Rosenthal has a blog. Not much going on.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 02:45 PM) Kent retired. He didn't even want to play baseball last year but his option vested and he was guaranteed a nice chunk of change if he just stuck it out for 1 more season. He won't be back with the Dodgers. Thank you.

Rosenthal I can't wait to see the dollar value.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 02:31 PM) I know DeWitt is a good prospect, im sure the Dodgers have him penciled in for a while. I think that Kent is the wildcard, while he is a great hitter still, the guy is a liability on the field, and like I said he isnt getting any younger Yeah, and that's why I asked if he retired. I couldn't find him on Cot's Baseball Contracts, but I don't remember hearing that he would be gone. Actually, Blake may end up being the wild card. If he doesn't re-sign, the Dodgers might bench Kent and want a young 3rd baseman. But it's an interesting discussion, nevertheless.

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 02:27 PM) Who would we be filling the DH spot with that's young? It's looking more and more like the players we are keeping around are the likes of those who are cheap+signed long term & are above average (Alexei, CQ, Floyd, Danks, Fields), or we're stuck with due to no-trade clauses (Konerko, Thome, Buerhle), and we've dealt (or will deal) those players who are expensive, aging, or young & cheap and are reaching the end of their deal (Dye, Vazquez, Swisher, Dye) I'd wager if Thome hadn't reached his PA total in 2008, he'd be off the team by now PK will probably be there first, then possibly Flowers, possibly Viciedo, possibly Fields...and KW probably has some ideas of his own from outside the organization.