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QUOTE(BHAMBARONS @ Jun 21, 2007 -> 04:50 PM) Here in Phoenix we had a incident were an illegal seen an undercover cop who was looking for drug dealers. The illegal assumed the officer was after him, back into the officer's car sent it into incoming traffic into the path of a car that had a mother of 2 driving she was killed on the scene. The stupid sheriff out here thinks we should deport him because Jail would be too good for him. Which brings up an interesting question... if an illegal alien commits a high crime like that, which is the better route? Jail or deportation? Jail is more expensive for all of us. But, deportation means he probably gets off pretty much scott free. And, with him out of the country, any civil trial to recover damages would be a non-starter.

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Jun 20, 2007 -> 01:29 PM) This is not directly related to Alpha's specific post. Living close to the college campus still with a short commute to my job, the college kids are always out rallying and sending out e-mails of abuses going on in foreign countries and discrimination being faced in foreign countries. They keep talking about all these issues in the rest of the world. Then, I just look to issues of police brutality in Champaign-Urbana (there has been a lot about the Patrick Thompson case, a cop being taken to task for tasering an inmate for no real reason even according to other police that were there, et al. All politics is local. How can they be for these issues to help people that they never met and cannot see when they cannot/do not go out to help those people whom they can actually see daily in their community? I see what you are saying about acting locally. But I also think that police "brutality" in Chambana is not even sniffing the same level of evil as what these countries are doing.

QUOTE(Alpha Dog @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 05:07 PM) All your arguments on both sides here assume that the green movement limits this to the business areana. Just wait until they atsrt 'taxing' individuals who pollute more, and can't afford carbon offsets. Older car? pollutes too much, you need to pay more for your sticker, or buy some offsets. Don't have a front-load washer? Oh, too bad, extra fee on your water bill. When it gets to the individual level, you will have created Edwards two Americas, as the rich will still pollute, and the poor will get screwed. 1. As Balta states, were in a situation now where someone has to pay. Period. Probably all of us, to one degree or another. 2. You are saying the program is a bad idea because of what MIGHT happen later. Nothing of the sort is going on. Why would we want to avoid something positive because it might lead to something negative? Why not do the positive and fight the negative? 3. Ultimately, the biggest polluters should pay the highest price. That is what I would hope for in any program.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 04:06 PM) Jenks is specifically b****ing about having to pay for law school. You said in response to my post that he should be mad for someone "who didn't work for it (law school) get's (sic) for free." I don't know of ANY illegals that have come across the border and were able to obtain a law degree for free. If Jenks was complaining about working hard and paying lots of money to become a roofer, painter, landscaper, or another job illegals tend to work, you would have a valid point. Kind of hard for people to want to engage you in conversation when you take a ridiculously pedantic, literalist tack on a single example in a complex discussion. If you stopped inspecting the bark on that one tree, you might catch a glimpse of the forest.

I've gotta go with Jackie on this one. It can work very well, if implemented properly. And SS, I know you are familiar with the commodities markets. You can indeed trade on a market representing a fraction of a product or item available in the world. The key is connecting the SOLD or RELEASED physical product to the contracts for sale. That doesn't mean that the entire world of carbon release has to be taken into that market, any more than we need all the world's corn to be present at that market.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jun 15, 2007 -> 06:54 AM) illegal immigrants do all the dirty jobs that most citizens want to have no part of doing. They work harder than anyone who posts on this message board and get paid a helluva lot less all for the hope that life can be better for their family and a better future for their kids..... so yes I think arresting all of them is utter bulls***. Right there in bold, one of the biggest logical fallacies in this debate. This drives me nuts. Are you actually trying to tell me that somehow, because they are not here legally, they are magically empowered with a better work ethic than the LEGAL immigrants doing the same jobs? And further, that this somehow justifies breaking the law?

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 01:34 PM) 2 cars driving off a cliff. Al Gore: "Hmm, at one point, I thought it was a good idea to continue driving in this direction. Based on the approaching cliff, I now think it would be an appropriate move to stop and turn around this vehicle." George W. Bush: "WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!" Nicely done. We've had a whole mess of lousy politicians the last few decades. But I'd rather see someone who is actually willing to adjust when they are obviously off course, than one who sticks to their guns just for that sake. Amazingly, some people still confuse stubbornness with courage.

QUOTE(southsida86 @ Jun 14, 2007 -> 10:23 PM) I'd agree that it would be nearly impossible to find and deport all illegal immigrants, but we do need to enforce the law. The best way to find the illegals is to search the employers records. The way to keep them from coming here is to not hire them. No jobs, no reason to come here. Large corporations such as Wal-Mart need to pay heavy fines straight out of their pocketbook if they are found to have hired illegals. Other employers too. About the point of "If the illegals are deported, then who will do their job?" I have an idea. If people are on welfare then they are unemployed, right? Why can't these people do the jobs that the illegal immigrants are doing? The people on welfare need to get up off their lazy ass and get a job. How about the money used for welfare is instead used for vocational training/education for the people who are on welfare now. Use those funds to help these people get their GED, and become productive members of the workforce. You make a good point on the employment side, which has been brought up here before. Any immigration bill that would actually be worth anything would need to, at a minimum: --Hit employers HARD for hiring illegals --Change our immigration rules and laws to adapt to current economic situations - if there are jobs here we need filled, then that should dictate immigration levels. --Give no amnesty or do anything else to reward illegal actions (by aliens OR employers) Ideally, it should also: --Use technology and smart policy to enforce current laws, instead of building an expensive, useless, environmentally disastrous wall --Allow for deportation when illegals are encountered, but not require mass deportations or witch hunts

Given the disappointing offense of Uribe entering an option year, and Iguchi potentially going FA (and not playing so great this year), and the very weak middle infield of the minor league system... I think I like this move. Cunningham has similar upside, but further down the road if it comes to fruition. And OF is one area we do have a few talented guys already. Yup, I think I like it.

Lucy finally hitting again. Average up 28 points from his low point earlier this month.

I have one of these, though mine is from 2004. Specialized Epic. Won all sorts of awards, particularly for the rear shock. Most rear shocks rob you of some power, because of course they give when you put downward pressure on an uphill. This one doesn't do that, thanks to the cool little "Brain" - it only gives when the force is upwards into the bike. I highly recommend it. But in more general terms, there are three brand names I'd recommend - Trek, Specialized and Gary Fisher. All very solid, very good bikes. And make sure your component set is Shimano and something decent level-wise. You are in Cali, right? You may want armadillo tires too, because of all the little thornies out there, if you ride in the desert.

If we're all very lucky, Dukes will fade away into nothing in about 3 years. Then make a failed comeback attempt. There is being a less-than-great guy, and then there is being a scumbag. This guy is a scumbag, and baseball will be better without him.

Yet again, we see a good idea executed poorly by government. Just not ours this time. But because its a good idea, I hope we don't simply abandon it because its been poorly implemented in some cases. I think that is exactly what some politicians want - take an idea they disagree with, move it forward but into a hornet's nest, then point to the failure and say "I told you so - this idea sucks!" Pisses me off.

QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 08:45 PM) I remember watching many, many crappy Sox teams, including some that lost in the 100-game range in the late 60s. But I can't remember one as disinterested, lifeless and void of talent as this one. This is flat-out dismal and discouraging. I'll have to disagree with the bolded part. This team has tons of talent. That's part of what makes it so frustrating. Everything else, though, I have to agree.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 03:12 PM) suck giant canal water

Let's all hope these "deposits" are in really deep water - like deep enough that no one other than those with military-grade diving equipment can reach. Because if its shallow enough t be reached with recreational equipment, then it can be obtained by terrorists. Also, given what the article says and shows about those dolphins, it seems that these chemicals aren't well sealed either. Great. Because the ocean isn't where a lot of the world gets its food or anything.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 01:23 PM) It's funny how for months I keep hearing from people on this site how Obama just throws out high level buzzwords and ideas and has no specifics for his agenda. I'm struggling to find any candidate who has eloquently laid out full specifics for their agenda, minus a topic here or there. Here's another fine example: http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/12/giu...a.ap/index.html Some candidates are better than others at putting together solid proposals. Others avoid it intentionally. But you are correct that most of the significant candidates have avoided taking very many material positions. They will continue to do that, in both parties, until approaching national election time. They like adjectives better than nouns right now.

What WAS the turning point? June 12th. That is today's date. Sometime in October, we can look back and determine if there was some grand turning point.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 10:00 AM) You guys have to realize that Kenny Williams has more on his mind than just the product on the field. If he melts this down too quickly and the entire media starts screaming "White Flag", fans are going to have a reaction as well. If they are convinced that this team isn't going to be good for years, the attendance will drop, as will the payroll. Kenny almost has to wait for the perfect time, so that he can make it look like he is just reloading for '08, instead of just backing up the truck completely. The perception about how this is handled is vital to the future. If they give the perception that they didn't give 2007 a fair chance, Sox fans won't come back for years, and the franchise will go back to it was in the 80's. I don't know if I'd say it would fall that far, but you do make a really good point. And despite this team's struggles, one has to keep in mind that KW still might be trading to keep THIS year's team better, not just the future. The season is not quite over yet.

QUOTE(vandy125 @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 08:54 AM) I wouldn't call it a mistake if it was me. I am not Catholic, and I would not refer to any person as "His Holiness". Only God can be referred to as Holy. We have all done wrong during our lives, including the Pope. Right now, I bristle at the idea. Other titles are fine by me, and people should be called them when the situation warrants it. Maybe a Catholic can show me where the name came from, why the Pope has assumed such a name, and what it means to them. I am not necessarily an expert on all the history and the dogma, but I was raised Catholic. The pope is seen as the most proximal channel to God. One might think if him as the holy socket. Being that channel of holiness, he himself is holy. At least, that's the way we were taught. Except for the socket part. I made that up myself. This concept (and many others the Catholic Church embraces) is not really new to them. Its taken from many religions previous to the existence of Christianity, wherein the priests were more like demi-gods.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 9, 2007 -> 12:07 AM) http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/copcar/ If this had been a white child... -- Just another disgrace for Chicago Police. I for one hate it when cops break traffic laws (or even parking laws) when there is no emergency. And if the black car being referred to here didn't exist, then these cops need to be taken off the street for a while, at least. That said, this article has less of a jounalistic feel, and more of a vendetta. If the black car existed, then as tragic as the situation is, the cops' only violation was attempting to get that license plate number while escorting a detainee. And that is not something that deserves much more than a short suspension. If you peer through the commentary and see the facts, if the black car DID exist, then this is nothing more than a very tragic accident. The kids were on the wrong place (in the middle of a bunch of cars instead of the crosswalk), at the wrong time. I'll usually be the first to say a cop that abuses their powers needs to be disciplined heavily (see: the thread about the cop who beat down the unarmed bartender). But in this case, if black car was there, I don't see any abuse of power. Nor do I see any ill intent. On the other hand, if indeed this black car was something they made up, in order to cover their reasonless abuse of authority, then they need to not only lose their badges, but possibly be charged criminally. So here is the question - was the black car there at all? THIS is why I've said before that police departments as a rule should never be investigating serious, potentially-criminal incidents by their own officers. Small stuff, code and regulation violations, etc., fine. But anything involving death or serious injury, needs to be handled by an independent agency.

QUOTE(NUKE @ Jun 8, 2007 -> 10:48 AM) Nobody else is refining because the entry process is WAY too costly and prohibitive. As is typical of Americans, they would rather whine about a problem (high gas prices) than solve it (see a new refinery built). As far as Im concerned I really don't have a lot of sympathy for people paying through the nose for gas. As is the case most of the time, this is a problem the public has brought on itself. I agree, though I think we need to act short-term AND long-term. New refineries is fine, new oil is fine, but you also need to invest time and effort into longer term, non-oil energy solutions.

Dry rub is the only way IMHO. Memphis-style short ribs, get the dry rub from Rendezvous.

If you read the article in today's Trib with KW's full quotes, you will see what a moron this MLBTRADERUMORS guy is. KW did NOT say he would not be trading for prospects. He said right now that is not his focus, but he also hinted as usual at being open to whatever happens. That site is just trash ,trash trash.

QUOTE(NUKE @ Jun 4, 2007 -> 12:35 PM) I TOTALLY want to read that one. Probably get it for the flight back to Iraq next week. Fair warning... its a great book in terms of the information provided, its well researched and cited. But you WILL have to sift through a couple over-the-top criticisms of the administration on each page. I'm as big a critic of BushCo as anyone, but for this type of book, I would have liked a somewhat more neutral appraisal (I suppose I'm spoiled by Woodward's writing). That said, still definitely worth the read.