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A = Performed well above salary and/or reasonable expectations for his abilities and roster spot: Rios Sale Quintana De Aza (A/B close call) B = Played well overall/took big steps forward/etc.; Player probably worth more during this season than he was paid by the Sox, or at least met expectations and provided above-replacement value, or met value and beat expectations... AJP Dunn Konerko (B/C close call) Viciedo Peavy (A against expectations, C against salary) Nate Jones Wise Veal Crain Myers Santiago Omogrosso C = Played at salary and/or expectation levels, give or take: Alexei Beckham (could be B, close call) Reed Youkilis (close to B also) Thornton (could be a D) Floyd JorDanks Flowers Axelrod Escobar D = Performed at a level below his pay grade and/or fell below expectations: Humber Liriano Stewart Lillibridge Septimo Morel Fukudome F = Complete Failure professionally Ohman Olmedo (apparently it was a bad idea to have a last name starting with the letter 'O' this year) INCOMPLETE John Danks Lopez, Johnson, Gimenez and anyone else with not enough playing time to mean anything COACHING STAFF Performance: Ventura: A- Cooper and his group: B+ Manto and his group: B

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 5, 2012 -> 10:53 AM) Congress. Also, when it comes to regs, much of this is NOT Congress - the guidelines already passed in legislation, the solidifying of rules and regs has been sitting in various agencies for year. That is executive, and it is on the President.

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 5, 2012 -> 10:53 AM) Congress. Need both.

QUOTE (Jim Busby @ Oct 5, 2012 -> 11:46 AM) Anybody has the Full 53 player Roster of the Instructural League of the White Sox available. And welcome to the board!

QUOTE (Jim Busby @ Oct 5, 2012 -> 11:46 AM) Anybody has the Full 53 player Roster of the Instructural League of the White Sox available. I asked Gonzo, didn't get a response. Just got that list from him that you see there. I know you can add Eric Grabe to it. Other than that, I don't know.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 5, 2012 -> 10:11 AM) People write about Hawk's ego, but isn't if all this stuff is true, the problem Stone's ego? Pretty sure both those guys have massive egos.

Sox have three of the BA Top 20 in the Carolina League (High A, Winston-Salem)... Carlos Sanchez at 6, Erik Johnson at 11, and Trayce Thompson at 18. Here is the full list. I can't remember the last time the Sox had 3 on any of these Top 20 lists.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 26, 2012 -> 02:16 PM) With the BA league-specific Top 20 lists starting, and the Appy league already published (see the seperate thread for that, Hawkins is #2), here are the dates that BA will be releasing the other leagues where the Sox have affiliates... Pioneer League Sept. 27 South Atlantic League Oct. 3 Carolina League Oct. 5 Southern League Oct. 10 International League Oct. 12 No Sox from the Sally. Walker and Snodgress seemed like the best shots at it. Seperate thread for the Carolina League, posting shortly.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Oct 5, 2012 -> 09:32 AM) I don't understand the love shown for Beck. Age is 22-23 with modest stats in Pioneer League. There is some discussion of this in the BA Top Prospects Pioneer League thread you should read.

Regardless of whether or not you like Hawk... where are some of you getting this idea of him being exciting, or enthusiastic? They guy spends 98% of the game either leaving long gaps of silence, or droning on in some story about X being the best Y since Z. Then he punctuates that 98% of anti-enthusaism with 2% of brief explosions of drawl-laden overactive shouting.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 5, 2012 -> 07:40 AM) Tuscon is half a mile above sea level. I'm guessing hitters come with the same buyer beware sign that hitters in places like Albuquerque and Colorado Springs have. ABQ and COS are each 5k+ above sea level, double what Tucson is.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 5, 2012 -> 08:31 AM) And for once it wasn't because of a fall in workforce participation. This is about the most positive jobs report to come out in the past year, maybe more. Not only did the UE rate actually go down due to people finding work... they also revised up the jobs growth in August and July by 86k, and beat expectations on job creation rate. Trend is still not strong enough to be that big rally we've all been waiting for, but this is a real improvement. Now... whomever gets elected President, go out there and remove the uncertainties - fiscal cliff, regulations, etc. - then we can get to the business of a strong recovery.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 03:14 PM) Maybe it's just me, but I have no idea why anyone would ever choose to keep Hector Santiago over Jose Quintana. I can see some reasons - Santiago has nastier stuff and more velocity, so he might be better in the long run. That said, I don't see wanting to get rid of either of them.

Romney won the debate, no contest. His whole approach was pretty brilliant, from a performance standpoint. He was focused and to-the-point, he hammered a small list of key themes, he came off as a business leader. He also did a 180 on some issues right in front of people, and they barely noticed, because Obama was too weak to point it out in a useful way. Obama was professorial and weak, meandered through answers, and had very little to say as to what good he would do in a second term. As for facts, they both played fast and loose, but Romney was clearly doing a lot more fudging and lying... and yet, it didn't matter to most people, because of how well he presented it. It was almost like those two flipped personalities before the debate.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 01:08 PM) Mark Gonzales ‏@MDGonzales Triple-A Charlotte catcher Josh Phegley named a winner of the 2012 Minor League Rawlings Gold Glove Award Well, people had been wondering about his defense. That's good to know.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Oct 3, 2012 -> 09:52 PM) Give me Johnson as insurance to Paulie, DH/1B/OF next year. That's exactly what he was this year.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 4, 2012 -> 02:05 AM) His stuff got way better in Houston. He's throwing 93-94 regularly with good sink. I wonder how that happened. The guy wasn't getting above 90 with the Sox, and he really only had 2 pitches he could throw for strikes, one of which was a straight fastball, the other a telegraphed breaking ball. Does Houston have a Don Cooper-esque pitching coach?

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 3, 2012 -> 09:19 PM) Give me Guthrie over Myers if the money is equal. With that said, I'm pretty happy with what KW said before the game today about spending money for next season. It was a different vibe than when he complains about the attendance, etc. He made it sound like the organization felt they had to spend money to get the team over the top, which would then equate to getting more fans out to the park. Wow, I would love to see the actual quotes. That sounds a bit different indeed.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Oct 3, 2012 -> 01:47 PM) What is the point of you continuing with the WHITES thing? Is it to get attention? I didn't even know it was a continuing thing. That's even worse.

Was that last line really necessary?

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 1, 2012 -> 09:39 PM) Lucas Harrell's had a more impressive season than Buehrle has. I have to admit, this one has been a huge surprise to me. I honestly didn't even bat an eye when he went over to the Houston org, I didn't think he was a major league pitcher. He just didn't look like he had the stuff. Obviously I was way wrong on him.

QUOTE (balfanman @ Oct 3, 2012 -> 09:31 AM) You must cut that in half because Chicago has 2 teams. One of those teams should be in the playoffs every other year, not every four years. Read that paragraph again. Once every 4 years each. That is what I said.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 3, 2012 -> 08:31 AM) Boston? Not as of 2010, which is what I stated. Point more generally is, the idea of Chicago being the city of Choke in sports is nothing more than drama. It isn't founded in reality. Think of it this way... baseball has 30 teams, and up until this coming post-season, there were 8 playoff teams per year. That means that a team ON AVERAGE will do to the playoffs about once every 4 years. So how has Chicago done since, say, 2000? Sox have gone three times in that twelve years, Cubs have also gone three times in twelve years - each averaging once every 4 years. Average average. Now, during that 12 seasons, there were 12 championships, which would mean Chicago would probably have slightly less than a 50/50 chance on average to have one of those. They have one. Also, people forget, the Sox have not really had a late-season near-miss like this in recent memory. In the post-strike and three-division era, the Sox have made the playoffs three times. And how many seasons were they within a couple or three games (either way) in late September, but lost? Once. People are upset because the team fell just short. They ran out of gas, they were hurt, they tried to do too much and couldn't get the big hit, they choked, whatever you want to call it... it was a very unusual event for the Sox. Anything else is just people venting their frustrations.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 11:18 PM) Chicago is still the city of chokers. When the Hawks won the cup in 2010, the City of Chicago became the ONLY city with championships in all 4 major sports in the past 25 years. So maybe not so much.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Oct 2, 2012 -> 11:09 PM) STARTING SALARY (NOT INCLUDING ARB OR PREARB): $72.25 mil TEAM OPTIONS / BUYOUTS Jake Peavy- See: "TEAM FREE AGENTS" Kevin Youkilis- Buyout. +$1 mil Gavin Floyd- Exercise TO +$9.5 mil Brett Myers- Buyout. +$3 mil TOTAL: +$13.5 mil STARTING SALARY: $72.25 mil CURRENT SALARY/OBLIGATIONS: $85.75 mil ARBITRATION Gordon Beckham- $2.5 mil Alejandro DeAza- RESIGN 3y/$10 mil ($2.5 mil 2013 // $3.5 mil 2014 // $4.0 mil 2015 TO) Phil Humber- Walk TOTAL: $5 mil EXISTING SALARY/OBLIGATIONS: $85.75 mil CURRENT SALARY/OBLIGATIONS: $89.75 mil TEAM FREE AGENTS Orlando Hudosn- Walk AJ Pierzynski- Resign 2y/$15 mil ($7.5 mil 2013 // $7.5 mil 2014) Francisco Liriano- Walk Jose Lopez- Walk Brian Bruney- Walk Dewayne Wise- Resign 1y/$1.25 mil Dan Johnson- Walk Ray Olmedo- Walk Deunte Heath- Walk Jake Peavy- Resign 3y/$30.5 mil ($9.75 mil 2013 // $10 mil 2014 // $10.75 mil 2015) TOTAL: +$18.25 mil EXISTING SALARY/OBLIGATIONS: $89.25 mil CURRENT SALARY/OBLIGATIONS: $108.5 mil TRADES Matt Thornton -$5.5 mil to ATL for Paul Maholm, cash +$3 mil Gavin Floyd -$9.5 mil to LAA for Hisanori Takahashi, Nick Marounde +$4.5 mil John Danks Trayce Thompson, Jesse Crain -$19.75 mil to NYM for David Wright +$16 mil TOTAL: -$10.25 mil EXISTING SALARY/OBLIGATIONS: $108.5 mil CURRENT SALARY/OBLIGATIONS: $ 96.75 mil FREE AGENTS Sign Kyuji Fujikawa 2y/$7.5 mil ($3.5 mil 2013 // $4 mil 2014) Sign Ryan Madson 1y/$3 mil TOTAL: +$7.5 mil EXISTING SALARY/OBLIGATIONS: $96.75 mil CURRENT SALARY/OBLIGATIONS: $104.25 mil PREARB SALARIES TOTAL: +$6 mil EXISTING SALARY/OBLIGATIONS: $104.25 mil CURRENT SALARY/OBLIGATIONS: $110.25 mil TOTAL SALARY/OBLIGATIONS: $110.25 mil LINEUP: Alejandro DeAza 8 David Wright 6 Adam Dunn 0 Paul Konerko 3 Alex Rios 9 AJ Pierzynski 2 Dayan Viciedo 7 Alexei Ramirez 5 Gordon Beckham 4 BENCH: DeWayne Wise OF Jordan Danks OF Tyler Flowers C Carlos Sanchez INF ROTATION: Chris Sale L Jake Peavy R Jose Quintana L Hector Santiago L Paul Maholm L BULLPEN: Addison Reed CL R Nate Jones SU R Donnie Veal SU L Ryan Madson SU R Kyuji Fujikawa MR R Hisanori Takahashi MR L Nick Marounde MR L Nice details. And I generally like it, if the Sox can spend that kind of money, but... you want to move Alexei, instead of Wright, to 3B?