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Dan Hayes‏Verified account @CSNHayes 2m2 minutes ago There's at least an extra row or two of scouts here at Camelback Ranch for Jose Quintana Day. #WhiteSox

Rob Young‏ @RobertHYoung 2h2 hours ago Hahn wouldn't put a deadline on a potential deal in regards to Opening Day, saying when dealing with "known talent" there is no rush

Fangraphs breaks down the Anderson deal http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/white-sox-h...erson-contract/

Brian Bilek‏ @BrianBilek_ 2h2 hours ago James Shields working with Kopech and Giolito. #WhiteSox

QUOTE (yesterday333 @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 01:29 PM) Great article. Makes me want to keep Abreu. Seems like he could be a stabilizing influence on Moncada. That scares me just a little bit more. He seems really immature. He needs a father figure to bring him along for sure. 225 twinkees in a week? Can't get him out of bed for practice? Trying to order 10 custom cars at once? Yikes.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 01:21 PM) There is currently not enough offensive talent, but you are discounting many factors 1) Likely high draft picks the next few seasons, starting with #11 overall in 2017...Sox need to draft well 2) Sox have tons of payroll flexibility moving forward and will be in position to spend on free agents to fill holes 3) The inevitable Quintana trade should net us 3-4 quality prospects, which will bolster our farm even more. I guaranty the Sox will get at least one or two bats back in a deal for him with high upside. 4) International signings. Sox are rumored to be very much in on Luis Robert. Going all in on him makes perfect sense for what we are trying to do. Yes, we will rebuild and suck in 2017. 2018 will be painful as well as many of our young prospects going through their debut and growing pains 2019 the roster should be improved from our prospect depth and anticipated free agent signings. I expect the team to be active. Allot can change in the next few seasons, but you have to like the pitching depth we are stocking up on Rodon, Fulmer, Giolito, Burdi, Hansen, Dunning, Lopez, Kopech, Adams, Stephens As Hahn stated, the Sox are closer to the beginning of the process than to the end. #1 and #4 go a long way towards bolstering my argument that 2019 is too soon. Those players won't be helping us in this time frame in all likelihood. The class of 2016 by and large is going to be ready to debut in around the 2019 to 2020 range, and being contributors a season or two after that. Even if we sign a guy like Robert think of that time frame. When is he going to be able to sign? June? July? That gets him into the system in mid-2017 if he signs. At 19 years old, and having missed a ton of baseball recently, when is a realistic time frame for him to get to Chicago? A guy like Moncada signed in March of 15, and saw his first action in September. That gave him two full seasons in the minors for all intents and purposes. Assuming Robert is as advanced, and is able to move through the minors just as quickly, that puts his debut sometime in the middle of 2019. Also remember what Moncada looked like in his debut last year, and realize that there is a pretty good chance that expecting the guy to contribute to a playoff team in two seasons is pretty unrealistic. Realistic to me is a mid to late 2020 debut, maybe a regular and contributor by 2021 or 22. #2, being a top spender in free agency is something I am going to doubt until it actually happens. Sure we have come in second for top talent a lot of times, but our history doesn't give me much hope of luring Manny Machado to the south side. #3, the inevitable Q deal is of definite interest. At this point every single team we have talked about has refused to send us their top positional talent. No Meadows, no Bergman, no Swanson, no Torres. Getting one of those first three guys gives us a guy that instantly fills a hole that we currently are projecting for the future. Anyone below that and the odds of that the prospect we get failing goes up by a decent amount, along with the timeline of when they will be ready to contribute. Again, not really helping us be ready for a 2019 playoff team. An Atlanta deal with Albies as a headliner gives another middle IF, but where does he play? With Anderson set at SS, and the team grooming Moncada into 2B, where does he go? If he is in the deal, one of the three is probably moving to CF, I would guess? Who knows. A Houston deal with Kyle Tucker headlining the position players gives us a guy with a grand total of 69 ABs at A+ ball. The odds of him being an anchor for a 2019 playoff run? Again, maybe a guy who if he hits well can make a 2019 debut at around mid-season, but probably not someone to count on for that season. A Yankees deal with Frazier as a headliner would get us a guy who is on track for a 2017 debut, and should be a contributor by the 2019 time frame. If the deal is NOT led by Frazier the prospects for a guy contributing that quickly diminishes by a large amount. Torres, (who supposedly is untouchable anyway), Rutherford, Andujar, and Mateo are in the lowest levels of the minors. They are all guys who are in the 2020 to 2021 time frame to really help a team. Even when I try to put specifics into the organization, I am not seeing it.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 12:19 PM) My ideal Atlanta package - Maitan, Allard, Acuna and Riley. There's no Moncada or Kopech in that group, so I have no qualms asking for their 3, 4, 8 and 13 prospects in their system. That is pretty much an ideal package for what the Sox need.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 12:00 PM) I haven't seen one person mention the 2017 or 2018 draft picks when it comes to being ready to compete in 2019. Nobody knows the timeline of these guys(except you apparently) but there's a chance they have an elite rotation in 2019 and if that's the case they're going to be adding offense through free agency. Not to mention they've already acquired 3 guys via trade in the offseason who are pretty much ready to play so if you don't think they're going to acquire some more guys who can play by 2019 then you're just being ridiculous. Like I said, I don't freakin know what's going to happen between now and then but the possibility to be competitive in 2019 is definitely there. The problem is the talented positional players aren't here yet by and large. I don't see enough guys here to even replace the players we are going to lose in the near to mid-term. The longer it takes to get these guys here, the longer the timeline pushes out. If we have to wait until the draft picks get here it pushes out even further. If we were the Yankees or Boston and had positional talent in the minor league system, sure you can start to apply some narrowing of the expectations of guys getting here. To a wide extent, we don't even have that much. I can point to five positions on the field and have close to zero answers for who could play them in 2019. I don't see how you can start to talk about the playoffs when you can't even point to a guy and say this guy should be our CF/3B/RF/LF, etc.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 11:44 AM) This is pretty much how I feel. The Sox are also incredibly due for some good fortune on the offensive side. Maybe Saladino figures it out this year and becomes our 3B for the next 5 years. Maybe a guy like Liriano or May or Engel become MLB regulars. I am more bullish on Collins than SS2K (shocker). I think he is one the best sticks at C in the league by 2019. Hopefully he continues to develop behind the plate. Plus the infusion of talent we get from Q, Jones, Frazier and Robertson, and the periphery guys like Gonzo, Jennings, Melky, Petricka. I expect Hahn to focus on bats moving forward. Where we sit right now, its hard to see how this team can be competitive in 2019, but there is a lot more to be done, and I expect the Sox FO to continue to focus on MLB ready or near MLB ready prospects. Plus, our payroll will be peanuts and we'll be able to play in FA. Again, I see no scenario where the Sox don't try to be competitive in 2019, unless basically everything we acquired this winter flames out. With Collins, there are two schools of thought. I think the bat will be ready for him to be up by the end of next year. But if he is going to be a catcher, he defensive skills are WAY behind his bat. That is the universal sentiment for him. Mid-2019 to 2020 is probably realistic for his glove and game behind the plate. I mean if you think about it, mid 2019 is only 3 full years in the minors for a guy. That isn't really that much.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 11:29 AM) Mike, by 2019 our rotation could conceivably be the best in all of baseball. Do I honestly think that's going to happen? Of course not but all of these guys outside of Kopech are going to have at least a year of major league experience under their belt and should be ready to make a jump to where we hope their potential will be. If that's the case we have a s*** ton of money to play with to put guys around Anderson, Moncada and Collins(just using these 3 as the young core offensive players) and that's not including other guys that can be added to that offensive core through the trades of Q or Jones or Abreu or whatever. Like I said, I'm definitely not saying this is going to happen but to say there's no chance is just you continuing to s*** on what's happened so far. I mean this is how the rebuild looks so far. 1. Get tons of pitching potential 2. Get a couple of offensive players 3? 4. Playoffs. Bastardizing an old GM quote.. the pieces are not in place, yet. Sure we can still trade for guys in the future, but that only pushes the timeline out further, just like I said. Even if we end up with the #1 pick in the 2017 and 2018 drafts, when do you think those guys will be ready to play? When do you think they will be contributors? Even if the draft class we just had turns out great, when will they be ready? This franchise just has way too many holes today for this to happen quickly. Sure the holes can be filled, but not instantly.

QUOTE (Soha @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 11:21 AM) 3 years could happen if everything falls right (as happened for the Cubs rebuild). But we know it usually doesn't work that way. Some high prospects are going to bust out. And even before that, the Sox are still light in positional/hitting prospects. As Hahn has pointed out, we're in the very beginning stages of this thing. Regarding Maitan - I absolutely would let him be a centerpiece if our scouts felt good enough about him. You have to trust your scouts. Of course, with words like 'generational talent' being thrown around about him, the Braves would be smart to just refuse any offers that included him. There are two huge differences between us and the Cubs. They stocked on positional talent. We have not. They hit free agency and the international markets hard. I don't see that happening for us. Thinking mid-term, Frazier and Cabrera will be gone. Avi probably isn't going to change. That leaves 3B, LF and RF open... for who? CF is a position of weakness both at the majors and in the minors. Our best hope is for one of Engel or May to get it? Odds of that? Probably not great. Catcher is a weakness. Our best hope of a catcher is years away... if he can stick. That right there is half of our line up in the next two years, with nothing clear in sight. That is without considering Abreu is on track for FA after 2019. Pitching I think we will be more than fine in. Positional players? I just don't see it today.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 11:16 AM) I see no possible way this team punts the next 3 seasons. Unless you see going crazy in FA, I don't see any other realistic scenario.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 11:15 AM) Doubtful he reaches the majors and is ready to produce at the level we would need him to as a rookie Keep in mind, my projected timeline is a "best case" scenario for a prospect like Maitan 2017 = suck 2018 = suck, signs of improvement 2019 = ideally get back to around .500, definite signs of improvement 2020 onward = window of contention I would not get stuck on Maitan, a deal could get done with Atlanta without him This is the exact reason that people are too optimistic on this rebuild. The window is way too short for the guys who are in the minors now to be productive at a level to put us on a playoff arc. Plus there is still not nearly enough offensive talent even here to achieve that. Like it or not, with not getting much offensive talent in the Eaton/Sale deals, plus not getting anything for Q as of yet, the timeline really hasn't advanced that far. We still need drafts and development out of players we don't have yet.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 11:14 AM) There's definitely a chance. Depending on how you see some of these guys it might not be the likeliest of scenarios but to say there's not a chance just isn't right. With the players we have now, and the players who are about to go out the door, there just isn't any real offensive talent here that will be ready in that time frame. I don't think you have even replaced what we have now to stay where we are today as of yet. Unless Q yields some talent that is ready now, I don't see that changing.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 11:05 AM) Yes, and no Maitan is 17 years old and will not be mlb ready for at least 4-5 seasons. I'm fine with him as a second piece, but the Sox are looking to turn this around within the next three seasons or so. Best case timeline for Maitan would be: 1) DZL league this year, possibly see some rookie ball 2) Rookie ball next season, possibly some low A 3) Likely a full season in low A, potentially getting bumped to high A mideason 4) Full season at AA, potentially getting bump to AAA late 5) AAA or possibly MLB debut We don't really have the luxury of waiting that long on a player. Maitan would be a high school junior right now...nowhere near mlb ready Three seasons as in 2019? No way. Not a chance. There isn't enough talent here yet for that. 2020 is when the window opens IMO. If Matain takes 5 or even 6 seasons to get here, that puts him right smack in the middle of things in 2021 or 22. He won't be on the front end, but he would be right in the middle of the revival, if it works.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 10:41 AM) or 3 years from now he could be floundering in rookie ball. I'm definitely not opposed to acquiring him, he just can't be the main piece for Q. Way too much risk. In three years any of the guys who we have could be busts. The whole point of the rebuild is to get the highest levels of talent into the system. You aren't going to find many people with more talent than this kid.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 10:40 AM) Perhaps, but he is only 17 years old In three years he will be nowhere near mlb ready His ceiling is compared to Miguel Cabrera and Chipper Jones, but zero mention of what his floor is. Maitan does not fit in with our rebuilding timeline, as the Sox are looking for prospects much closer to mlb ready As a second piece in a deal with the Braves? Absolutely I would be on board. But as a headliner there is far too much risk Everyone fits into our time line. I think people who think differently are way underestimating how long it will be before this team is going to be good again. Obviously Matain won 't be in the first wave, but he should be in the middle of the period where this team is good again. If you look at what the White Sox have done this winter, it is that they aren't getting all guys who are major league ready. Kopech and Basabe for example are years away.

QUOTE (Chi Town Sox @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 10:31 AM) So a potential first pick saying that he's not ready for it and doesn't know if he can "do this" mentality has nothing to do with him becoming a bust? K I think your sarcasm detector is broken.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 10:32 AM) He hasn't even had a professional at-bat yet. He's 17 years old. The hype train has to slow down a bit until he shows he can do it against pro competition. With a guy like this, if you wait for him, you miss out on him. This is the best chance the White Sox have left to get a kid who is quite literally regarded as a generational talent into the system. Three years from now, he is going to be where Yoan Moncada is at.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 10:21 AM) My Braves source from earlier in season said talks centered on Albies, Newcomb, and Gohara coming to Sox. Sox asked for Maitan and Braves balked. Braves also said no to Acuna which is why there hasn't been a deal and won't be with Braves most likely. It doesn't shock me that they don't want to part with Maitan. The guy will be a top 10 prospect as soon as he starts playing pro ball. He may well have a higher ceiling than any guy that has been talked about in connection with Quintana. I would kick an orphan to get him into our system.

QUOTE (yesterday333 @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 10:06 AM) I think Albies, Acuna, Riley, and one of their many lefties would be a good trade for both sides. They are so deep I feel like it wouldn't hurt them too much to give up that return. I would much rather get Matain instead of Albies or Acuna. Honestly Albies with zero power doesn't excite me at all as a headliner.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 09:43 AM) I think the Braves step up and make it happen. Would be a huge splash moving into their new stadium. Albies/Acuna/Fried/A. Jackson/lottery ticket If a deal is done with Atlanta, I really want to get our hands on Matain. Austin Riley is another that would be a nice fit.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 09:00 AM) A teenager in Israel arrested over the threats made to Jewish institutions in the US and worldwide. So this has all been a hoax. Awesome.

CSN Chicago‏Verified account @CSNChicago 48m48 minutes ago #Bulls center Robin Lopez slapped with one-game suspension after fight - http://bit.ly/2nKnnlu

Scott Merkin‏Verified account @scottmerkin 33m33 minutes ago Renteria said today that taking 13 pitchers is a possibility but 12 still seems to be the number where he's leaning.