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QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 26, 2016 -> 02:04 PM) Yeah there was a point during their rebuild the fans finally had enough. That was a brief period, however. Am I not correct? Finally, but I think it only was for a season or two, the Cubs had some empty seats. Still not very many though, right? It didn't last long as when they got competitive it started filling up again for every game. Their absolute low during this rebuild was 2.6 million people at Wrigley, or 32.6k per night. The White Sox haven't seen 2.6 million people since 2007.

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QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Oct 26, 2016 -> 01:24 PM) I don't watch Fox News, so keep that in mind when I say this, but I do think the "they're just the GOP/Conservative mouthpiece organization" is not really true as much as it was 5-6 years ago. Two people I randomly see through viral videos online, like O'Reilly and Megyn Kelly, are far from the conservative cheerleaders like Hannity. Both have gone after Trump repeatedly (Kelly especially). Beck, though not with the network now, is totally against Trump and the current GOP. Yes, they're all obviously much more conservative than their MSNBC counter-parts, but they're all not the extreme right version of conservatism either (like Hannity). You don't really get exposure to that though when you employ the blowhard extremists like Hannity who say the most outlandish things. So I agree, that's on them for the "monster" they created. Kelly just last night was asking Newt about Trump being a sexual predator. I sure don't even remember the reverse of something like that.

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 26, 2016 -> 01:41 PM) Would have been exciting waiting for the ruling I'll never forget the confusion over the Patrick Kane goal to win their first Cup of this run.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Oct 26, 2016 -> 01:14 PM) The f*** you talking about. Nobody said the Cubs didn't own the city right now but your assertion that it will always be a Cubs town is ludicrous. Over 116 years the popularity of each team has ebbed and flowed with how successful the team is at the time. In 2006 after winning the 2005 World Series the Sox drew 2,957,414 people. That is 89.8% capacity. The Cubs drew 3,342,708 for 93.4% capacity. Very small differences. Had the Sox sustained their success for a couple years they would have had a real good shot to catch the Cubs. They didn't. attendance began to drop in 2007 when the team was terrible again. You can't base the future off of the past 2 decades and ignore the 90+ years of history before that. Realistically, less than half of that 116 years is even relevant anymore. If you want to make an honest assessment of the situation, you probably narrow your search and should consider the people who are actually alive today. The actual circumstances are for the vast majority of the people who are alive today and going to games who are fans of either team, Chicago has always been a Cubs town, even if the Sox managed to outdraw them on a rare occasion in the past few decades. Lets be real. In the last 50 years, that is two plus generations of fans, the White Sox have outdrawn the Cubs 9 times. Two of those were centered around the opening of New Comiskey Park in 1991 and 1992. Even at the absolute peak of the modern Sox didn't out draw the Cubs when the won the World Series in 2005, nor did they outdraw them in 2006, the year after the World Series or 2008 when they made the playoffs. The Cubs in 2005 won 79 games and finished 4th. In 2006 they won 66 games and finished in last, and with the world record in the NL. The Sox at their absolute peak, couldn't outdraw a team that lost more games than any Cubs team had since 1980! You have to go back 24 years to 1992 for the last time the Sox outdrew the Cubs. That means you have an entire generation of people who are 30 and younger who have never seen the White Sox as the #1 team in this town. So while it looks imposing to quote the 1920's, 30's and 40's and even the 50's, as somehow important to today, it isn't. You have to be pushing the mid 60's years old to even remember a game played in the 1950's. Quoting the 1920's as relevant here is like saying that the Republicans voted for the repeal of slavery, as if it is relevant to 2016. It isn't. Chicago is a Cubs town, and pretty solidly has been since the 1950's and early 1960's. That is three generations now.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 26, 2016 -> 12:07 PM) They said on the score if, say it went 6 and the rain was awful, it would be suspended to tomorrow and thats when they'd finish it. I thought I heard last night that a post season game can't be partially played. It would be suspended and finished later if it couldn't be played fully. You can't have a 7 inning World Series game.

QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Oct 26, 2016 -> 12:16 PM) I wonder would it be cheaper to just give them some form of heavily subsidized insurance, and then just have the VA do administrative stuff (GI Bill payments, VA loans, injury rates, etc.) I really doubt that care could be provided cheaper than what the VA does, mostly because they either do it in house for cheap, or they pretend that nothing is wrong with you until they pretty much can't anymore. In the case of Agent Orange was something like decades. Really we as a country just need to actually put up and fully fund what we promised these people. That is the biggest problem here.

QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Oct 26, 2016 -> 11:43 AM) I don't know how whatever the "VA scandal" is supposed to have been became a political issue. (well ok, actually I do, but not the point). It's always had long wait times and been a pretty miserable experience, basically since Vietnam. I don't even know how you fix that actually. Honestly, I don't think an honest effort would be put into it, as there isn't enough outrage about it. My opinion is instead of dumping more money into that busted system, just let them go to their regular doctors and hospitals outside of the VA, and have them cover their costs there, instead of just when the VA gets around to deciding it OK to seek outside treatment.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Oct 26, 2016 -> 11:31 AM) Yet you have the Secretary taking unilateral action to "fix" the problem. It's not an excuse that it's up to Congress if ultimately someone can step forward and say, this is a bulls*** policy, we're going to stop. It's lazy to blame any President for a variety of executive/management blunders that happen 40 people down the line, I agree. Yet we do it anyway, with every President, except Obama gets a pass on it most of the time and I don't know why. The VA is STILL having major problems with wait times, 2 years after the scandal was "addressed." The VA has been a clusterf*** for decades, not years. They spent the last 45 years of my dad's life fairly actively trying to kill him at various points. This getting fixed I can respect. It was a PR disaster even for the amount of time it went on, but once it broke, it seems like pretty quickly it got nixed. The VA on the other hand is actively murdering vets still though their negligence and lack of care and resources. It is inexcusable, and quite literally every time the subject of respecting vets comes up, I make sure to tell people if they really respected our vets, they'd be making angry phone calls to their Congressmen about the state of the VA.

QUOTE (shipps @ Oct 26, 2016 -> 11:28 AM) You should park in his driveway. Now this idea I like.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Oct 26, 2016 -> 12:18 AM) I have had a very strange relationship with this neighbor. About 6-7 years ago we got new next door neighbors at my mom's house that I grew up in. We were both very friendly from the beginning. Fast forward a couple years and I see them come into the restaurant/brewery I bartended at right by our houses. After this, every time they come in, they ask to sit with me. They'd come in, we'd talk and laugh they would spend about $40-50, tip me 25-40% and we'd go on with our lives. They are a mid 60's couple and I would mostly talk to the wife. He is retired Chicago PD. The guy would say some strange stuff to me. Stuff about race, women, etc. He was mostly quiet when they were out to eat. My mom despised the guy though. She is a shy nurse that barely talks about others unless she's saying positive things. She claimed he was giving her dirty looks, claims he was rude, etc. My dad and I basically told her she's just imagining it, don't worry about it. So then I was a junior in college and I was still driving the remains of the family car my dad told I have three months to buy a car as the family car was going to my other sister. So I buy a car but at this point I am living and working in the city so my car is down there. The family car that I used to drive stayed parked in front of one of two slabs of street in front of my house. After I graduate and work I go back for another degree and move back to the suburbs. So I haven't seen my neighbors much if at all the last few years and they probably don't even know I have a new car. With the silver pos in front of the big slab of street in front of my house, my parents in the garage/driveway, I have to part in the street. So I park on the other slab of street in front of my house. This spot is about 80% in front of my house and 20% in front of the aforementioned neighbors house. The street is public. I park there for several weeks, maybe even months I am not sure. My car is always parked as close to my house as possible. All of a sudden, I'd come home after work and he'd be parked in the spot. Sometimes with his Mercedes and sometimes with his F350. His truck would nearly protrude our driveway because it's so massive. When we back out to exit the neighborhood, we have to back out around his truck as it sits a foot off our driveway. To what started as something he did every once in a while, he now parks there more than I do. The dumbest part is, he has two spots in the garage, an open driveway and only two cars. When I would park in the spot, he would just park in his garage. When he would park in the spot, I would rotate parking in front of a couple other neighbors houses. So I get feel like I am annoying someone every time I get in and out of my car. Last couple weeks his truck hasn't moved from "my spot." A couple weekends ago, I moved my car out of the spot, picked up a friend who lives in the neighborhood, dropped him off to the closest bar to our houses and went back home. It was 11 minutes roundtrip. I came back, his truck is there and his garage is closing as I pull up. This is at noon on a Sunday. I'm convinced the guy is watching the spot on his elaborate set of security cameras. At this point, I've had enough. I am not going to be an asshole because my parents have to live next to this guy after I do but I I decided I needed to talk to him. I planned to be friendly and then change the subject to basically asking him how he sees the situation. I'm mowing the lawn and he pulls up in his other car and parks it in the driveway. I stop the mower and say "Mr. Schmo" and walk towards him. He appeared to have not hear me (I am a loud person) and closed the garage. It doesn't seem he wants to talk to me. What do I do with this guy? I had a friend recommend buying the cheapest Vespa possible and just keeping it there because the spot is big enough for my car and the vespa but not for his truck and the vespa. That would be hilarious but probably not realistic. Wow, that is some petty stuff right there.

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This whole thing has been a freaking disaster. I am really glad someone stepped in and stopped this. People who served have it bad enough, getting chased around to give back what little money they get for doing it? Oy.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 26, 2016 -> 10:24 AM) One game people. That said, I do think the whole Durant thing will be interesting. He is just a very ball centric type of player and Curry was already so explosive with the ball. The experiment might end badly, but yesterday's game is nothing more then a one game anomaly at this point. If two months from now they are struggling, then I think everyone can start talking. Golden State will be fine. Them I am not worried about. Even a guy like Durant just spent his entire career working with another superstar. He knows what he needs to do to be successful there.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 26, 2016 -> 09:12 AM) Rose is just rounding out that super team. We will all see Yeah, I don't see how that squad works together at all. Literally the only complementary player they have in that group is Noah, and while I hope he can still play because I love the dude, it hasn't looked good for him.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 26, 2016 -> 09:20 AM) blast from the white sox past BMac is still one of the best twitter follows out there. I consider myself lucky to have gotten to know the guy even a little bit when he was posting here back in his minor league days.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 25, 2016 -> 06:37 PM) We're done talking. Honestly it sounds vindictive. I see no other real reason. Again, he isn't blocking anyone, he isn't making a lot of money, and he isn't taking a needed roster space... So why release him?

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 25, 2016 -> 06:09 PM) Um yeah, I get he can stay and toil at AA again. Point is, he's not worthy of adding to the 40-man if it's that time. Release him, expose him to other teams, let him be a free agent, whatever. Why? What is the need to get rid of him?

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 25, 2016 -> 05:58 PM) Let's put it this way, he's not good enough to add to the 40-man. If he has the option to become a free agent, they should let him. Dude is going to make like 30 or 40k if he isn't on the 40 man, maybe less. I still don't see what the big deal is. He isn't blocking anyone, and he isn't holding a 40 man roster spot.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 25, 2016 -> 05:16 PM) Courtney Hawkins turns 23 in a few weeks. He's probably a release candidate if he's reached the point of having to be added to the 40-man. Why? It isn't like someone is going to take him the Rule 5 or something. There is no onus to release him.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 25, 2016 -> 04:33 PM) She is several years older than me. She told me I was being childish and I should be happy for Chicago. I told her as a White Sox fan, Cleveland winning isn't exactly ideal either, but she was definitely miffed. What the hell are Cub fans doing worrying about what Sox fans are doing and caring about right now? Are they really that insecure? I know when the Sox won, the last thing I cared about was the Cubs. I was too busy enjoying the ride to worry about who wasn't cheering loud enough.

QUOTE (captain54 @ Oct 25, 2016 -> 03:35 PM) Kind of comforting to read a post from SS2K5.. never changes, always consistent with a very unique POV.. You never miss a chance to take a shot at whiny, disloyal Sox fans, do you? On what research and actual facts, (based on opinions from urban planners and stadium architects and designers), do you base your opinion that the south loop was the ONLY realistic place for a Sox stadium? Wait, I have been reading stadium proposals from urban planners and stadium architects on Soxtalk? Who knew. Though I do appreciate the irony of your response...

QUOTE (whitesoxjr27 @ Oct 25, 2016 -> 02:56 PM) I wonder if that Indians fan who used to beat the drum still comes to the park? I remember him from a long time ago. Yes, he still sits at the top of the bleachers. I hate that guy. He ranks up there with the guy who used to sing opera while selling hot dogs in Detroit of people I despise.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 25, 2016 -> 11:35 AM) I thought you did invent google? Stupid trademark laws, ruining my life.

QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Oct 25, 2016 -> 10:56 AM) Sure, but where on the south side would you build a stadium like that? You can't actually build on the lakefront. Let's say Hyde Park, or Kenwood, those neighborhoods would be much more like Wrigleyville. How we gonna do that? The one realistic place I have heard suggested where a stadium actually could have been built in the late 80's was the south loop. The rest are ideas from crackpot fans who have no grasp on reality. No, there will never be a lake front stadium. Friends of the Parks would have that shutdown in about two seconds. There is no "should have". It is like saying I "should have" married a supermodel and invented google. Yeah, reality called.