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QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 02:51 PM) Sure he is. He signed a 184 million deal instead of a 200 million deal. If he dislocates his hip this year he will make less money. He signed it with the intention of opting out to make more later. He is betting on himself to continue to produce at a high level for three years to make more later. In terms of NOW, I doubt any of the deals he was offered gave him $76 million in the first three years.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 01:41 PM) Do I read this to essentially mean, invest your money somewhere or spend it, just don't leave it lying around as free cash. Ah the fund managers win again. I would also guess with their tax rates there is very little incentive to invest the money, which is why people are content just leaving it in the bank.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 02:18 PM) Exactly. What's is AAV in the deal if he opts out after three years? And he'll most likely be looking at a $200M contract at that time from his next team. He didn't take a discount whatsoever, he simply took the over that maximized his potential earnings while also providing a nice security blanket if something went wrong for him. If he leaves after year 3, he gets all of his $20 million signing bonus, plus 15m, 21.5m, and 21.5m for the three years in salary, for a total of $78 million. That is an AAV of $26 million.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 01:01 PM) Gavin Floyd to me is the starter version of Jesse Crain. The setback is coming, but spring training fluff would make it seem like he could win 15. It wouldn't cost anything, so I wouldn't be surprised it happened, but would be very surprised anything really came of it. That entire list is full of guys that probably won't do anything, but are worth a lottery ticket kind of deal. Every once in a while you find a Loaiza. Mostly you find Paulino's.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 12:37 PM) Tim Lincecum Brandon Beachy Edwin Jackson Mat Latos Yaisel Sierra All names I would consider. Gavin Floyd seems to be a wild card that could happen.

QUOTE (peavy44 @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 10:25 AM) Is chris davis holding up the market. It is the lack of teams willing to spend a lot of money that is holding the market up. The traditional big hitters are all gone now, and all that remains is the second tier of spenders that is by nature a lot more cautious. Internally I think if we have seen one major difference that lets me know that Rick Hahn has a lot more control of things than people give him credit for it is that the moves the Sox are making are NOT impulsive. He has a price in mind for a particular deal, and he doesn't really seem motivated to leave that price. Look at how long the Frazier deal took to come together. Anyone really think Kenny would have held out that long? I don't. It feels to me that the same thing is going on with Cespedes/Gordon/Upton. Hahn has an amount and year for each player that is his ceiling, and he is going to do everything he can to get into that window. Realistically all Hahn has to is look around at who is competition is right now to see that there isn't any real urgency to overspend either. The market is coming back. Rick is doing the prudent thing by waiting it out. If worst comes to worst, he can always up his bid at the last minute if market conditions change.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 09:31 PM) Hahn is at the Bulls game right now! Comcast just showed him on tv. Why isn't he signing Cespedes right now?!?!?! Nice.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 02:28 PM) Agreeing with Kyle and Bmags. The Hall is dumb. There are probably roiders in the HoF. People used drugs to enhance peformance when it was greenies. And you know what? Who's worse for the game - Barry Bonds or Ty Cobb? One used roids and went from a Hall of Famer to possibly the best ever and the other was a racist that beat up a crippled fan. The logic is counterproductive. Just because guys didn't get in trouble for lynching in the old days, should we not punish cops for shooting kids in cold blood today? It is a different day and age. Players knew what they were doing was against the rules, and if caught could ruin their careers. It shouldn't be a shock when it does. Unless the Hall of Fame wants to come out with a directive that states otherwise, I fully expect steroid usage to be something considered when voting for HOF candidates.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 03:55 PM) You guys remember the feeling you had when the Bulls were trying to sign a FA (both times) and had the money but just could not get them to come here for whatever reason? As a fan you kind of had that feeling that is what was happening even though we heard they had mutual interest in a lot of cases. In the end it didn't turn out too well. I kind of get that same feeling with big FA's the Sox are targeting right now. I could be totally wrong, I know. Except the White Sox can actually close a deal.

Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1 49m49 minutes ago #Dodgers deferring Kazmir 3-$48M over 6 yrs so getting $8M annually in that period including $5M sign bonus and $3M salary this year If Kazmir opts out after 2016 he gets $16M total: $5M sign bonus, $3M 2016 salary and the $8M deferred from 2016 #Dodgers

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 02:44 PM) I like it from a team's standpoint. You don't have to pay a guy in his possible declining years and not be tied up into bad money. IF he opts out. It is the worst of both worlds. A guy who outperforms you either have to pay more to, or let go. A guy who sucks, you are stuck with.

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 5m5 minutes ago kazmir gets 48M for 3 years. opt out after 1st year.

FOX Sports Live ‏@FOXSportsLive 1m1 minute ago JUST IN: Dodgers sign LHP Scott Kazmir to a 3-year deal. (via @kengurnick)

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 01:52 PM) For the Colts to win the AFC South, ALL of the following need to happen: Colts beat Titans Jaguars beat Texans Ravens beat Bengals Broncos beat Chargers Bills beat Jets Falcons beat Saints Raiders beat Chiefs Dolphins beat Patriots Steelers beat Browns So you're saying there's a chance.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 01:18 PM) What does Chris Rongey have to say...is he officially out now as far as being involved with the team next year? With the Score being out, and his general tone towards the team during the end of the season, I would assume he is out as well.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 12:50 PM) There's always Jerry Sands. Only slightly less stops than Andy Wilkins.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 12:44 PM) LMAO... I wish he signed for that. If it were that little, it wouldn't be just the White Sox and O's talking to him.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 11:51 AM) well we all know the tried and true method of bringing up a bunch of mediocre and flawed minor leaguers does nothing but lead the way to the playoffs Give it 30 years like KC and Pittsburgh.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 11:51 AM) What time is it in Canada? Go to bed Joe. 1968

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 10:41 AM) Not an "according to sources" joke, but one of Cespedes' most recently liked tweets is "I love you come play for St. Louis" Which was done in October 2014.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 30, 2015 -> 01:48 AM) If you're 100% satisfied with Jennings' performance...I guess. Jennings had one bad performance where he got left out to dry for the team. His FIP even reflects that he was unlucky, being a half a run higher than his ERA. Besides that, he is serviceable, cost controlled, and cheap.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 03:34 PM) Well if even if he's cheap and on a 1 year deal he still gets innings. If he's terrible it's not like the Sox get those innings back. Playing time is still an investment people. He'd be competition for the rotation. If he fails, he gets cut.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 03:22 PM) Does anyone really want Latos? Maybe if he's extremely cheap but I think the odds of turning around pitching in the AL for the first time is pretty low. One year deal, not a lot of money? Sure. Why not. More years or money? No thanks.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 02:27 PM) Can the Sox afford him after a big signing? Alexei would still be the best option at SS for another year, IMO. Saladino doesn't worry me as much as some, though. As long as this has drug out, I don't think it would be big. Maybe $3 to $5 million.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 02:27 PM) Why would the Sox pay Alexei $5 million or whatever it'd take to get him to then put him in a bench role? If he's coming back, it's as a starter IMO. I believe he would come back as a starter, at least for now. But even if he didn't it gives the team another option. As of today, who is the teams SS if Saladino flops?