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QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ May 4, 2015 -> 01:37 PM) Well we'll continue to suck then imo. Hiring from within has got them were they are. The Bulls made a bold move with Thibs (hard to fathom now but it was seen as so at the time) and JR needs to make another bold move IMO and hire his next guy outside the org. Honestly the only "org guy" I could live with is probably Ozzie. He's far from my first choice but if they are gonna go that route they could do worse IMO. Ventura is the very definition of "bold hire". Gardenhire is the definition of a "safe hire". Bold is new and different, not a guy who is 57 years old and has 13 years of MLB managerial experience. If you want a re-tread, just say you want a re-tread.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ May 4, 2015 -> 01:31 PM) Well that's true but do you have any faith that RV is going to lead the Sox into the playoffs any time soon? If you fire Robin and install a guy that's won some like Gardenhire you can start figuring out who is going to captain the next playoff Sox team. I have no doubt it's not RV. Not sure what the answer is, but he's not it. The idea that the White Sox will hire outside of the organization is 100% laughable to me. Anyone who is counting on Ron Gardenhire to be brought in is fooling themselves. I'd say the odds that the replacement manager is already drawing a White Sox paycheck are somewhere around a 2nd standard deviation level of confidence for me.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ May 4, 2015 -> 01:24 PM) Changing the deck chairs probably won't help but it sure as hell can't hurt. They literally can't play any worse than last in runs, last in rs, and last in defense. They can play this baseball for the last 140 games. That is literally worse than playing it for the first 22 games.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 4, 2015 -> 12:45 PM) In this , the 35th season Jerry Reinsdorf has owned the White Sox, please tell me when attendance determined a manager's fate. Attendance is everything to this organization. Eventually it will either be a personnel move, or selling players, if attendance doesn't keep up with their projections. See also 2013.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ May 4, 2015 -> 12:43 PM) As I said earlier I really don't think liking a manager is a goal or something positive at all. In fact, I'd rather guys respected the manager but hated his guts than a guy they love but maybe don't respect. I think they respect and like Robin but it's obvoius the team has a collective physcosis right now. I posted the Fangraphs stats last night. We have exactly two players above replacement. Something is rotten in that clubhouse it's almost unfathomable that everyone is this bad. I'm not much of a chemistry guy but something isn't right imo. Because teams never quit on managers they hate either. See also Guillen, Ozzie.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ May 4, 2015 -> 12:56 PM) This cherry picking of teams that went on big runs needs to stop. It's like going back through hands of blackjack and concluding that it's always a good idea to hit on 18 because you drew a 21 a couple of times. How many times did you bust? For every team that goes on a big run after starting poorly there are 10 that just continue to suck. It's the exception, not the expectation. This team has been absolute horse s*** through the first month. I don't see any reason to expect a turnaround this isn't the Nationals' roster -- this is a flawed roster that needed every break to go there way. So far, outside of some nice pen performances and Avi hitting, they haven't had any breaks go there way. I think this is just teh baseball gods smiting Hawk down for thinking a good bullpen equals a good team. Hahahahahaha. Not when you can't get them the lead moron. How many times did a team that was 8-14 or worse fire a manager and have success that same season?

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ May 4, 2015 -> 12:39 PM) Here's a thought: maybe this team realizes that Robin's job is in jeopardy and pulls their collective heads out of their asses and rallies around him. Just a wishful thought. You never know. if these guys like Robin as much as they say they do, they had better start to figure things out quickly. Eventually fan response at the gate will dictate a change is needed.

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 4, 2015 -> 12:31 PM) Cubs attendance went down 5 years in a row before going up 10K last year. The Cubs fans aren't loyal, the drinkers and tourists are. I do agree that the Sox approach to rebuilding was made with their fans in consideration. What was the difference in attendance and ratings for the two teams, even last year?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 4, 2015 -> 11:51 AM) The rats have spent 4 years jumping off the ship. There aren't any rats left. 2 years ago I would have agreed with you but we're now in year 3 of the disaster that we were somehow supposed to avoid at all costs. Looking at pre-2005 history, there are plenty more left to jump.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 4, 2015 -> 11:40 AM) 2011 - the Ozzie Guillen quits year 2013 - the $120 million disaster 2014 - ok, legitmately "seems like we're trying to rebuild" 2015 - shaping up to be a $115 million disaster. They're pretty disturbingly close to that already. And what has happened to attendance over that time? What do you think would happen if the outward plan was to suck, instead of giving any reason at all to come to the park? The rats have been jumping off of the ship already. This franchise would die if they decided to go Full Cub. Again the bottom line is Cub fans are loyal. Sox fans aren't. This is why Sox teams are rebuilt on the fly. If you want to ask why, that is your answer.

QUOTE (AustinIllini @ May 4, 2015 -> 11:33 AM) You clearly have no idea how bad it can get. Miami, Houston (prior to this revival season) are proof it can ALWAYS get worse. Always. At least Houston had a grander plan, much like the Cubs. This White Sox team is a disaster and it is getting worse EVERY season. Your franchise is either getting better or worse. There is no "Staying the same" Sox fans are screaming for blood after an 8-14 start with the biggest off season they have had in decades. You think they would go for a half a decade of suck? Not a chance. You might as well move this team to Oklahoma or something.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 4, 2015 -> 11:27 AM) Avi is one of the last players I would list as one of the problems. Yep. Even Melky has started to hit a bit.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 4, 2015 -> 08:00 AM) It only took an injury for the HOF coach to realize that! Last night was easily the best 60 minute game they have played in the playoffs so far Probably the best 60 minutes they have played all year.

QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ May 4, 2015 -> 10:18 AM) As many points as this guy has, I mean: really? After one month? He wants to blow up the team? This reeks of knee-jerk or what two of you have already said: he's just been waiting to write this piece. I really don't think the players are the issue here. Blowing up a team after a month isn't realistic in MLB. As was said in the article, no one even wants to trade right now. Your options involve firing personnel, waiting for the team to play better, or releasing/calling up guys.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ May 4, 2015 -> 09:39 AM) The hell? Beckham has been more than fine as a backup IF this season and they spent peanuts on Drabek. Agreed. The problem hasn't been with the bottom of the roster, it has been with the top. Sale has been mediocre, then awful. Samardjiza has been awful. Q started awful, then had a good start. Noesi and Danks have been Noesi and Danks. The offense hasn't hit a HR in a week, and can't score runs to save their lives. The defense has been awful, led by guys like Eaton and Alexei who are supposed to be good. Gordon Beckham has been one of the few guys on the roster who hasn't sucked. Penny and Drabek were lottery tickets with people ahead of them anyway.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 3, 2015 -> 08:00 PM) The only way he doesn't get a QO is if he's actually seriously hurt. I think a few people do not understand the numbers going into major league baseball players today.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 4, 2015 -> 09:11 AM) It is a far more mature reason than the reason for this BS post. My opinion is that yours is wrong.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ May 3, 2015 -> 09:15 PM) A manager has many priorities and being loved isnt one of them. Guys are too comfy. They aren't too comfy. They are way too uptight. This team could generate diamonds from coal right now. Comfy teams don't make as many over-aggressive mistakes as the Sox do.

QUOTE (flavum @ May 4, 2015 -> 09:01 AM) Fans venting about an under-performing team is what you're going to get from any fan base. I don't think anyone is coming off like they have all of the answers. It seems like people here bother you more than the Sox. Which I would have to ask, why do you post here if it bothers you so much? Ooh, I know the answer!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 4, 2015 -> 07:54 AM) At the very least then, the people in the front office who made the decisions to spend a lot of money based on last year's team and who made the decisions to bring in the players who aren't performing deserve some heat for those failings. Firing an entire front office based on 21 games is prime Steinbrenner territory.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ May 4, 2015 -> 12:36 AM) Yes, I am still talking about the Chicago White Sox and watching their games, etc. I was doing that before Jerry Reinsdorf & Co. bought the team, and I'll be doing so after their reign of ownership terror is over. In the meantime, as long as the results continue along the lines of what we are currently witnessing, I will continue to hold the Chairman ultimately responsible. I won't leave all the blame squarely at Ventura's feet or Kenny's, but rather at the Boss' himself. So by "holding them accountable" you really mean "complaining". Boy that will show them!

QUOTE (LDF @ May 3, 2015 -> 09:18 PM) i really don't know about that, but let say you are right. only 1 player has step up and said it is the players fault. that was Jose A and it was today. There are more. That was the quote on twitter, but there were more players in the main article.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 3, 2015 -> 08:04 PM) Of course, it's very difficult to come up with many examples in recent baseball history (at least the age of the internet) where players turned openly against a manager and "broke the unwritten code" of baseball media relations. In other words, when's the last time a player said, "We're all doing our absolute best, but collectively we simply don't feel as if we have the right manager to lead us to the next level." What's going to make things even harder this week is going to be yet another crowd of 75% (AND VOCAL about it) Tigers' fans at USCF. That's hard for the broadcasters to ignore as well...or those doing national/local highlights. It isn't that obvious. Any fan who pays close attention knows that. It is when the players quit taking responsiblity away from the manager that you know something isn't right.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ May 3, 2015 -> 07:12 PM) Exactly. Samardzija isn't an ace and he shouldn't be paid like one either. $120 million isn't "ace" money anymore. Far from it. Try nine figures starting with a 2.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ May 3, 2015 -> 06:56 PM) Nothing changes until the Sox are sold. Because with this current ownership group, you will not get a movement to, as you shrewdly suggest, "cherry pick...(superior) front office (execs from other teams) to actually build something (representing a sustainable winning Chicago White Sox organization)." No, the approach with Reinsdorf to building a front office and in-game management team continues to be borne of favoritism and loyalty, and favoritism and loyalty only. How else do you either explain the continued employment of people like Williams, Boyer, Pizer, etc in the front office, or the hiring of Ventura, Baines, and Boston in the dugout? I mean, Ventura is the prime example of all of this. He was hired to be the manager of a Major League Baseball team with ZERO managing experience, and he wasn't even in the damn game at the time. Ah, but he was a personal favorite of the Chairman, so that trumped hiring someone like Dave Martinez, who was actually in a dugout for many years learning from someone like Joe Maddon. So firing Robin makes sense, but does it when the next manager is just another Reinsdorf favorite with no experience like Jim Thome, for example. No, it does not. It's really frustrating that we, the fans, continue to suffer from such poor decision making. If the Sox do not make it to the postseason yet again this year, that will represent the 30th time in Reinsdorf's 35 years as owner that they haven't. It's an abysmal record of futility and I, for one, choose to hold Reinsdorf accountable for the continued mess he and his management team deliver to our fan base. I truly do look forward to the day, whenever that is, when we wake up and hear that the team was sold. The idea of a fresh new ownership with different ideas and approaches on how to guide this team that operates in the third largest market to success will be warmly received and embraced. Anything different than what's been peddled these past 35 years, I'll take it. Got nothing to lose at this point. LOL. Choose to hold them "accountable". Yet here you are still talking about the team, watching games, etc.