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This was pretty awesome. http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/father...-white-sox-game

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 09:33 AM) Then he needs to be non-terrible at fielding that position, which isn't quite the case currently and probably will get worse with age. His WAR is higher than Dunns for each of the years that Dunn was with the Sox, including this year.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 09:19 AM) Dunn's OPS each of the last 2 years > Hamilton's OPS each of the last 2 years by 30-40 points. You missed the first part about being able to field a position. It isn't just about OPS.

The Sox had Adam Dunn at DH for the last four years. Hamilton at least could provide the ability to field a position, and I doubt he ends up with worse production than what we saw from Dunn for most of that time.

And to think, everyone couldn't figure out why Hahn hadn't made room for these guys already, and people were looking forward to this. Welcome to letting the kids play. It ain't pretty.

Robertson isn't escaping the Yankees.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 07:34 PM) They need to give him some days off down the stretch. Why? He has had two breaks already during the season. Get him his ABs while you can.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 06:59 PM) Interesting that Hawk said if you want to win you have to spend money the other day. Since Hawk as GM worked so well the first time...

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 06:48 PM) Alright man fair enough. You lost me in the other thread with: "I've said it before and I'll say it again: teams that don't like giving out giant contracts to FA make trades." Haha please enlighten us more often! We'll support eachother another day it seems. Except Rick Hahn clearly stated they weren't just looking at the free agent market, and the Sox have minimal history on the free agent market, let alone for pitching.

QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 06:42 PM) I'd rather pay Scherzer 7/200 than Shields 5/100 I would agree with this if I had to make the choice.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 05:59 PM) So the police have identified some kids who dumped urine and spit on an unsuspecting kid all part of the ice bucket challenge. Celebrities are out wanting proverbial blood so to speak offering rewards to find out who did the crime. Police are going to press charges of assault. Pity the perpetrators and their parents cause they are gonna be forced out of this school and town over yet another act of stupidity in our world. Would like to get into the minds of these dumbass kids who thought it was a good idea to dump crap on an autistic person and put it on the Internet. Really smart. Really a nice thing to do to a fellow human being. What a cruel world. I feel sorry for the autistic kid. How terrible to be the brunt of bullying. I wonder how a modern parent in this day and age of Johnny can do no Wrong, disciplines their little darlings who did something like this. http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/09/us/horrific-....html?hpt=hp_t2 Uh, no. Pity the real victim.

The last thing any franchise needs to base their moves on, is by what the fans think of them. Fans are stupid. If they knew what they were doing, they'd be running baseball teams, instead of posting about them on the internet.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 05:06 PM) Ah, thank you. I have seen these quotes and was hoping there would be a bit more. I do love listening to Hahn speak. I could not find a video on Chisox.com. Don't know if there is one somewhere else or not.

You lost me at "retarded".

QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 04:46 PM) I have seen a few people (namely the BFFs SS2K and Dick Allen) refer to what Hahn said the other day. Where did he speak and can I find it online? Here are some quotes from the most recent version http://www.suntimes.com/sports/29770166-57...ml#.VA9102NpvQo

Bears resigned Evan Britton today.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 03:46 PM) What that means is the other person doesnt agree to your request, so instead of walking away or doing the right thing you decide to break the law and use violence. The other person doesnt have to stop their behavior, you have to make the correct choice to not hit them. Doesnt blame them at all. Because I never said they were doing something wrong. I mean at any point did I say the other person was in the wrong? Or are you just completely making that set of facts up. Just because someone is being annoying, doesnt mean you have the right to hit them, nor does it mean they are doing anything wrong. I get annoyed by people who are completely within their rights all the time, still annoys me, and I still may ask them to stop. If I then break the law and hurt them, its not their fault, its entirely mine. /shrug lol. That is an awful rationalization of an attempt to slip a justification into a make believe scenario to distract away from what really happened. The bit of make believe is complete irrelevant to reality. Does the NFL have a right to punish Rice? Absolutely. Do they have the right to terminate his status as an employee? Also yes. The answers are the same if the question is do the Ravens have that right. Other than that, it is all irrelevant.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 03:34 PM) If they offered DeAza and Beckham coming off their 2013 seasons, Viciedo's going to be offered one last chance...whether people like it or not. Forgot about the insurance comp side of things on Jones. At any rate, that could go either way. As for Surkamp, if he's THE lefty coming into next year, OR Snodgress, look out below. One of those two, along with a Bassit type, should be the last two ever coming out of the pen. If they're placed in prominent, top five, use when tied or leading roles, we're likely to be 10-15 games under .500 again barring some major changes in other areas during the offseason. What Hahn says makes sense, does he goes "all in" like pre-2011 Dunn's contract or spread it between El Duque, Iguchi, Dye, AJ, Pods, Vizcaino, Hermanson in 2005 style? If we could miraculously find those 5-7 veteran or bordering on veteran (26-32 year olds) players for reasonable contract dollars, of course you do that, rather than blowing it all on Shields/M.Cabrera/closer for example. If you look at the roster, wholesale improvement is still needed across multiple positions/roster spots. We're far from 1-2 players away as we sit right now. I doubt you would get an insurance payout for something that has already happened. They would have to eat the salary and move on.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 03:28 PM) If Nate Jones isn't offered arbitration (which, given his injuries this year, he might get like $900k at the most, which might be covered by insurance anyways), I imagine it would be with a handshake agreement to bring him back. The Sox really like him, even to the point of favoring him for the closer role prior to his Spring Training injury (from which he never fully healed). I also can't see how Viciedo wouldn't be offered arbitration as well, regardless of whether he's with Chicago long-term. I could see the Sox interested in trying to swap him for someone like Dominic Brown too. I have to imagine the Sox bring back Jones, in order to keep his rights for future years.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 03:39 PM) Where did I say she was "asking for it". I dont believe anyone is ever "asking" to be hit. Nor do I believe anyone has the right to hit anyone else. Soo you are really reaching to defend your position, because I dont believe that anyone should hit another person, unless its in self-defense. Which is why the comparison is appropriate, because in neither scenario was the violence allowable. /shrug So what does this mean, exactly?

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 03:29 PM) Murder and battery are not equivalent. If Ray Rice murdered his fiance, Im pretty sure they wouldnt have entered him into a domestic violence program So lets make a legitimate comparison. You are out one night with your friends drinking. One of your friends gets annoying and you tell him to stop. He keeps going. Youre drunk and not thinking straight, you knock him out. The police come. Your friend is like "Hey its not really his fault, we were both drunk and acting stupid, 1 time incident." Should you go to jail? You knocked a human out, are you a menace? A bad person? This is not a legitimate comparison to this situation, and really demeans what actually happened between Rice and his fiance. It turns this into a "She was asking for it" type of defense.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 03:17 PM) When both are one time events, I think it's pretty much the same. You're just assuming there was more background here without any evidence to support it. Read up on the Cycle of Abuse. An incident like this as a completely isolated occurrence would be incredibly rare.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 03:15 PM) I would be shocked if Wilkins is on the Sox next year. It is WAY too early for that. I want to see Wilkins get comfortable first before I pass judgement on him.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 03:13 PM) How wasnt their much to post about in February? We knew about the "abuse"then. If youre such a domestic violence crusader you didnt need to see a more explicit video. Where were all the people telling his fiance not to marry him, that hes an "abuser" etc? The suspension came out in July, once again, where was all of this? Its just like the beheading videos. I dont need to see a reporter having his head cut off to know how brutal it is. I am just as outraged seeing it or not seeing it. Same with back in February where literally no one cared about this. I doubt anyone has changed their stance on domestic abuse since February. What proof do you have that everyone was OK with this then, just because there wasn't an on-going long thread about it? Just for the record, for now until the end of Soxtalk-dom, I have always felt like anyone who punches their significant other in the face, is fully justified in having their employer fire them, and never allow them to work for the company again. I also have no problem with other companies not being willing to hire people who feel the need to punch their significant others in the face. I felt that way in Feb. I feel that way today, and have always felt that way. I never, ever seen a need to make excuses for someone who does this, and I won't. He should have been cut, terminated, and/or suspended when this first happened. I also very seriously doubt that anyone on Soxtalk would have been upset if Ray Rice had these same things happen to him in Feb, just because they hadn't seen a video of it. The strawmen you are creating in this thread to have something to argue about are just jaw-dropping. The passive-aggressive support for Rice here is just sad.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 03:07 PM) Did he commit a crime? Well it depends on how you view the American justice system. I view it as simply, you are innocent until proven guilty. Since he was never found guilty, I have to say he is innocent. Doesnt mean he is a good person, or that what he did is right. It just means that a prosecutor and judge (who had more information than I do) believed that the best route was to get a deal where Rice would have to work on his behavior, instead of trying to take this to trial and putting him in jail. Was that a good decision? I dont know, but its no different than the NFL's original decision. Once its done, its done. To me its akin double jeopardy, which is something you either believe in or not. Committing a crime, and being convicted of a crime are two completely different things, as you well know.