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And BTW, this is exactly why Kenny stayed extremely cordial and respectful of Peavy after the first turndown.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 03:32 PM) I had no idea Adam Russell still had value. No Hudson, No Flowers, etc.. Though I'm REALLY gonna miss Dex and Richard.. But wow.. Yeah, really nice for the Sox. We lose a lot, but we still keep some very quality guys in the system.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 03:32 PM) I had no idea Adam Russell still had value. No Hudson, No Flowers, etc.. Though I'm REALLY gonna miss Dex and Richard.. But wow.. Yeah, really nice for the Sox. We lose a lot, but we still keep some very quality guys in the system.

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 03:14 PM) Actually, the point doesn't stand. In fact, in the original legislation, the plan was scheduled for four billion dollars in funding, with the first billion to fund the program only through September. The additional two billion in funding isn't additional funds being tacked onto the program, its funds being allocated to the program early. And it made it four days. They HORRIBLY miscalculated

Levine reported both Richard and Poreda, Russell and Carter.

And just to clear this up, you CAN trade a guy on the DL.

Wow. I wonder who. I'll bet Poreda is still in the deal. If we keep Richard, Kenny wins this big time.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 03:08 PM) I agree 11% ticket increase and this is what is added to a .500 team! How many games did you go to last year and this year?

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 03:01 PM) 4500x22200=Ninety Nine Million, Nine Hundred Thousand. One billion dollars would fund 222,222 purchases at $4500 each. Still, the point stands.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 02:59 PM) I was referring to the cash for clunkers program. So was I.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 02:52 PM) Because there was totally a precedent they could establish with a program like this one. Its been done already in the industrialized world, which is the basis people are using for national health care, right?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 02:46 PM) Why is that funny? Nothing wrong with targeted tax-related incentives. I'm glad they are putting more money in, since it obviously works in terms of its main goal. They just need to fix some of the aspects of execution, and tweak the MPG standards a bit. Because tax cuts don't work!

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 02:43 PM) I don't see how you can compare this program to health care. Not a very good comparison. Totally. This program was projected to cost one billion dollars which at $4500 per person comes out to about 22,200 people, and now has at least tripled in size. They couldn't even come close to projecting it right. Health care is supposed to be a one Trillion dollar program and involved an estimated 40,000,000 people, and we are just supposed to take their word that they got it right on something like 1000 X's the scale? Lol.

Sounds like Congress is going to throw another two billion into the fund... so that should last another eight days at the rate we are going? And the funny part, is the $4500 is pretty much like getting a tax cut.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/pos...TM2YTZlNjM2ZGQ= Copy of the full report here... http://newsletters.agc.org/newsandviews/fi...9/07/09-056.pdf

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 02:10 PM) Any truth to the rumor that the Sox are interested in Danny Haren? The rumor was that the Dbacks turned down Kenny twice for Haren.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 02:02 PM) They have Duquette and Hart on MLB network. Its pretty interesting to listen to how a GM actually spends deadline day. From what they have said, I think KW is sitting by his phone waiting for some callbacks. So in other words our final offers are out there, and we are waiting to see if teams will come down to our offers.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 01:25 PM) While I don't doubt they texted KW, I'd be absolutely shocked if KW was serious about needing ideas. I'd also be shocked if he doesn't have about 10 balloons in the air right now. The problem is it takes 2 to tango, so while you might have the means to take on salary and might have some prospects to trade, the other guy could always say no. I read somewhere where Toronto wasn't interested in any of the White Sox prospects for Halladay. They wanted Danks and Floyd. And I would love to see all of those people who would like a trade that included even Floyd or Danks plus Alexei, and a couple more of the top prospects (most likely Viciedo and Poreda at least) to raise their hands.

QUOTE (3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 01:07 PM) Well thank you KW for wasting your time. Everyone and their mother knows he is scared enough about the AL, and that there was no way he was coming to our park. There are theories out there that KW did this just to get this very reaction from fans and/or had some sort of agreement to jumpstart interest in Peavy. As time goes by, I keep thinking those theories aren't that far fetched (especially after the comments about being hurt by attendance) Jon Heyman twitter: #twins deal for orlando cabrera helps them. but #tigers trade was even better. chisox, your move. And the deals he tried to get for Haren and Halladay? Are they scared of the AL too?

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 12:49 PM) Don't tell this to people who hate Alexei Ramirez's defense and UZR. You can't quantify dumb, no matter how hard you try.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 12:08 PM) I think with this economic climate, teams are just putting too much stock into their prospects, and deals can't get done. Bingo. Its a great year to be a seller, a horrible one to be a buyer.

I look at this as subtraction by addition.

QUOTE (Pumpkin Escobar @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 10:51 AM) Very early but it's nice to see a GM make an attempt an upgrading. Kenny completed a trade for Jake Peavy, and has been after both Haren and Halladay. One thing you can't accuse Kenny of is not trying.

And really thinking of the big picture here, the federal government underestimates the demand for cars so badly that they are talking about shutting down this program after four days, yet we aren't supposed to questing the CBO cost esimates for health care and how many people would decide to go on the plans and how many businesses would drop their coverages? Yeah, ok.