southsider2k5

Ugh. This is awful.

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Yes, we need these whippersnappers to play the game the white way!

Sox fans are just mad. Some even more than others.

Not without leaving Chicago.

I have no proof, but those are all great things to say if you want to leave your current employer quietly without rocking the boat.

He's 0-3 so far.

To be fair, when a leader leaves, along with an entire management team, it is kind of hard to know who the next leader would be. The personality of a locker room isn't a linear equation. Who knows who emerges. Of all of the things to be annoyed with, this isn't one. Also I do like the fact that Eloy still WANTS to play OF, even if it scares me to death. It at least means he isn't a quitter.

This is the main thing right here. We bought a lemon, no doubt. No idea who failed here, but glad things were changed after because he was NOT what we were told he was. All of his pluses turned into mediocres very quickly.

That and it isn't 1959 anymore.

Look, whoever decided this was their guy blew it. I think that Madrigal is why the Sox shook up their drafting team. But the one thing they did right was to dump him after it became clear he wasn't who they though they were drafting. You can argue about who they got back, but dumping him wasn't the mistake.

If the Sox aren't going to do anything for another OF, I would rather have Elvis vs Madrigal for sure if that is all they have to spend.

Neither has Madrigal, and you have to give up something to get him.

Madrigal hasn't done anything to prove he is worth trading for.

That isn't "success". He's hurt for 2/3 of each season, so those guys are still going to get 400 ABs, and when he has played, he’s barely been over replacement. Romy had a higher OPS+ than Madrigal did last year.

I am not. What value is 200 awful ABs? We still need another 400 PAs from someone else to start with. In 3 seasons, last year was his career high in ABs, and he put up numbers worse than Leurys career numbers. He's put up 2.4 bWAR and 1.8 fWAR in 3 seasons total. We'd need like 1 WAR to be better than what Nick has averaged his 1st 3 years.

Unless he is willing to spend a couple of years in MiLB the math doesn't work.

Again, that is an insanely low bar. Nick Madrigal was terrible last year. In 200 ABs he was a replacement level hitter.

His defensive ratings actually did tick up last year. Basically a zero arm and slightly positive ErrR, for a top 10 UZR.

What part of his .588 OPS and 68 OPS+ am I supposed to be impressed by? He was trash last year.

He is in his 1st arb year, hasn't been healthy or productive, and didn't sound like he made friends in the clubhouse. Not sure he is better than Romy or Lenyn, or even a healthy Leury.

It's a looooooong running Soxtalk joke to have fun with thread titles. Relax. Take the edge off. No one actually cares, they are just playing along.

@Quin, accept this challenge.