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Here's a crazy thought, a guy who gets twice the money probably should put up better results. Jesus man, I don't even know what you are arguing anymore.

Putting more weight into the actions of 29 teams isn't more significant than the actions of 1 stupid team who can't develop pitching? Flawless logic there. And yes, if any other organization though Fedde was worth a s%*#, he gets way more than 2/15. That's literally the way the open market works.

Public transportation would be incredible there. Be a lot less need to drive from the burbs.

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So because the Sox spent money on Vera, Rodriguez is going to be a star starting pitcher in Toronto. Makes perfect sense.

Mmmm my favorite, Name Salad.

Hahahaha what?

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If anyone else thought he was going to be a decent starter, he gets 9 figures at a minimum. This is Eric Fedde money. This is 7th inning reliever money. As desperate for pitch as MLB is, the market has definitely spoken.

Vera was 1/20th the investment and almost 10 years younger, but sure. Totally the same.

Here's the thing. We know statistically what a player's prime years are in their mid to late 20's. Most of the reading I have done on this focuses around 27ish, but that general 25-29 age range seems to be the peak performance for the average baseball player. When statistical models knock future expected performance for a players who age is over level appropriate, there is a real reason for that. When you have a guy like this who still has yet to take his lumps in the majors as they approach this "peak" age range, there is a real statistical probability that you won't see the same performance as you would have for a similar player who is making his waves ahead of this aging curve. Yes exceptions happen, but those who fail to learn from their history are doomed to repeat it. Betting on exceptions to the rule versus the rule, it is a risky proposition, especially in a post steroid era.

worthless /= worth less. THAT is the context you are missing.

Don't worry, 30 years from now someone will be including all of these guys in lists of all of the ways we failed in the 2020s.

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This is your last warning. Stop starting fights about nothing here or you won't have to worry about it.

Then quit wasting time on it.

The funny thing is I am trying to find the answer myself, and so far the only thing I can find is that it happened 10 times between 1980 and 2012.

So, how many 4 run saves were there last year?

This isn't you?

Yes, because you were planning on saving Michael Kopech for situations that happen maybe once in a season, so that is why everyone should have known you were talking about obscure corners of a rule, and not the part that happens 99.9% of the time. Please show me how many 4 and greater run saves were gotten last year to prove that it actually worth pretending it is valid or GTFOH with this waste of space.

It probably means the Sox themselves aren't announcing anything until next week and the DR freakout was pointless.

It was a tough decision, but we at Soxtalk felt it was time to move on. Someone queue up the greg tribute thread so I can immediate lock it.

Look, we allow you to be here, but if you are just going to personally attack people, you won't be. It's that simple.

Look, we have 477 posts of your posts of this circular logic. Here's the deal. -The White Sox have two real assets left in Cease and Robert. Luis probably isn't going anywhere for a year, maybe two. Dylan is the only one that is starting to get into the zone. -The White Sox did this exact same thing with Jose Quintana and it paid off in spades in terms of prospect returns. One of the return you may have heard of? -This is the White Sox chance at a home run, and being able get the absolute best deal possible is the key, not when it happens. The Sox don't care about 2024 or 25, at least, no matter what the idiots reporting quotes without follow up questions say. Their actions speak louder than anything. -You keep telling us how much greater the O's system is than anywhere else, but if you skim the cream off of the top, which you seem to think is somewhere between their top 3 or 4 prospects, that greatness doesn't matter. It opens the door for other teams to be able to step in front of any offer. Those "offers" become extremely beatable. -Sure there is risk to the White Sox with Cease, but with Baltimore standing on their own dicks this winter and watching the world go by them, there is just as much risk to Baltimore losing out on a Cease and seeing regression of players they are relying on. If the Sox of 2020-21 taught us anything is that assuming an upward trajectory for literally everyone is pushing all in on a risky bet. That bet gets more dangerous if another AL East team pushes in front of Baltimore and he goes to a competitor. -You keep telling us how Elias sets his price and that is it, and that's cool. But it just means that that also leaves the door open for a more daring GM to take the player away from them. -You can't tell someone they have zero idea that the offers are poor as a criticism and then immediately say that the Sox are asking too much, when you also have no idea what Getz has exactly asked for, and what other offers look like to see how outrageous that is. If you look at historic deals and at what the cost of pitching is these days, outrageous deals of 5 years ago may well be the new norm for cost controlled pitching. Otherwise pay a guy like Snell on the open market, right? Oh wait, they won't. -At the end of the day, Baltimore's window is already going to be narrow. They have small market mentality ownership and leadership. With every door they close to talent acquisition, it makes the eye of the needle they have to thread to stick around the playoff hunt even narrower. Every time someone around them adds on, it narrows it again.

The "mistake" isn't a guy who is being held accountable for his actions by his bosses, and paying customers not wanting to be associated with that. The mistake is people trying to eliminate the LGBTQ+ community. I sure don't want people who think like that representing me or the brands I like to associate with. Re-framing the argument to make this guy the victim, instead of the actual victims of that hate, is one of the most impressive slights of hand done to a large portion of the American people that I can think of. If he wants me to think it was a one time mistake he has learned from, let's see him doing something for the community more than a PR written non-apology, apology. Let's see some actions. Lobby for trans-rights. Fight for gay marriage, gay adoption. Stop religious schools being able to discriminate. Then I will listen.