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Orlando has a ton of talent. They should be much better than they are playing, kinda like another team in Chicago...

He is pressing way to hard. Last year he was letting the game come to him, now he is trying to do it all himself.

Lose Steve Sullivan Lose Tom Gordon Take Mark Buehrle to arbitration There is plenty more for the front office to do this winter

To ELo!

Vlad has got to be in the $15 million range. He might be able to get a 7 year deal tops. It all depends on if he spurns the Yankees like he said he would or not. If his choices are Baltimore and San Diego, he won't be priced nearly as high.

No you are pretty much like your internet persona

So do we have the White Sox on our hands? lose by 30 to Ok teams, but beat good teams? Damn these guys are going to give some heart attacks by the end of this...

for matching Luther and Calvin in under 5 minutes, you earn a one time exemption from harsh things thrown your way for questioning the Beatles supremecy - do it again about the Beatles and even if you post about Melanchthon and Zwingli and Bucer and Oecelcampadius it won't save you the Beatles - everythiog today flows from them. They cannot be over rated. They are sui generis. PS Some day tell me how you know the Luther-Calvin relationship - I have been re-researching that recently for about the 3,000th time in my life He is a pretty sharp kid when it comes to religion. He has always impressed me with his biblical knowledge, and history surrounding the bible. Now when it comes to music he needs some help

I totally agree. Lets go after SS/2B instead of guys that we have in our system. Its not like we can afford to get a bunch of players.

Nothing like Tommy John thought. Unless I am mistaken, I don't believe ELo has ever suffered through a major surgery. The Marlins staff was just abused prior to McKeons arrival.

I think it is pretty common in all sports for ex-players to become coaches/managers.

Banned you say... hmmmm......

Tone deaf

Yes, and he won't be back next year

Right off of the top of my head, Dick Jaron and Jack Del Rio of Jacksonville. I know there are plenty of others.

Blasphemy. It is the Beatles. It will be incredible!

You really don't get it do you. The reason he pitched against 22 different teams is exactly what I am trying to tell you. BALTIMORE DID NOT WANT PONSON TO PITCH AGAINST GOOD TEAMS There is that hard? When you don't pitch against good teams it is much easier to keep any stat looking better. IT IS MUCH EASIER TO HAVE A PRETTY ERA WHEN YOU DON'T GO AGAINST THE BEST. Where is the "flaw" in that arguement? 3 of the 4 teams in the AL East, score tons of runs. As a matter of a fact the Yankees, Red Sox and Blue Jays were 1-2-3 in RS in the AL. (what was that about flawed stats?) So you can take the Jays out of that whole weak category. Ponson barely ever pitched against them. And that is because, just like you said "Almost ALL pitchers have terrible ERA's against the top offensive teams in the game" Why is it so difficult to understand that you want your best pitchers going against the toughest competition AND the teams in your division which are in direct competition with you. That is why the O's ducking pitching Ponson against them. Once again what is do damned hard about that. BALTIMORE WANTED MAXIMUM VALUE FOR THEIR COMMODITY. Sidney Ponson turned down 3 years for $21 million. So wanting to trade him what do you do, run his numbers into the ground pitching against good teams? No. You try to make him look better than he is so that someone will pay more for him. It is like getting a tune up before you trade in a car. You clean it up and make it look as good as possible so that the dealer will give you more for it. It that complex or something? And BTW looking at runs scored in a stadium is much more indicative of how good of an offensive team that the home team is. Baltimore had a terrible offense, which sure makes the runs scored at Camden Yards go down. I mean geez they were only 10th in runs scored in the AL, could that possibly have anything to do with how many runs get scored at Camden Yards??? (more flawed stats )Camden Yards is a notorious hitters park no matter how bad the Orioles are. You ask what I have shown you? Conspiracy theories? Try common sense. Open your eyes and think outside of your little box. Did you ever play connect the dots as a kid? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put two and two together. As good as Sidney Ponson was, he will never be that good again. If he had faced real competition he wouldn't have put up anywhere near the numbers he did.

I think it is more like to kick his ass...

Big difference is that ELo's arm hadn't been fried by a bad manager. Dempster had good stuff, but he is damaged goods.

OK Boog/613whatever... I will break this down for you really slow so even you will understand. The Orioles duped many into thinking Ponson was a better pitcher by pitching him in as many ideal situations as possible. It happens all of the time in pro sports today. It's called showcasing an athlete. The fact that he only pitched 3 times against the two best teams in his division only bolsters that arguement. When you have your #1 pitcher you skip your fifth pitcher to make sure that your best is going against the best competition you face. The Orioles did not do this against the AL East with Ponson. He should have faced those teams at least 5 times if not 6 or 7 because they were skipping their bad pitchers to face the divisions elite. Also you would want your best pitcher, going at home in a stadium that is much harder on pitchers, because it gives you the best chance to win. Ponson pitched barely 40% of his games at home. The "how they pitch" arguement is BS. How they pitch doesn't change based on who they pitch against, but the results do. When Ponson can only manage an era of 5 against the Yankees in two starts, and get hammered for an era of almost 20 in the only start of the year against the Red Sox, (not to mention getting hammered in the playoffs, not to mention getting beat up by Atlanta, not pitching against Oakland, and not to mention an era of 6 1/2 against the Twins) it just goes to reason that his mystical 3.75 era would have been much worse if the Orioles had faced him up with the Yanks and Red Sox ( and other division winnters) as often as a #1 pitcher should have been. To quote the fact that he started against 22 different teams only bolsters that arguement because in a day and age when a team plays nearly 50% of their game against one division, The #1 starter should be starting against their own division at least 50% of the time, if not more, because a good manager would be trying harder to beat the teams in his own division! And as for the whole if someone doesn't have something logical to say start attacking... go back and read your first post. How many times did you have put a personal comment in there? You are the one who had to try to make a pissing match to try to look better. If you want to argue the point that is fine, then don't resort to childish name calling, and you won't get it back. It isn't that hard of a concept.

Damn dude, first of all learn to use the quote function. Your post is a garbled mess. Second of all, why is this so f***ing personal to you? Ponson's wins have everything to do with where he was pitching in the rotation. He didn't win anything until the Orioles rigged his starts to be against inferior opponents so that his trade value would escalate, because he had already turned down a 3 year $21 million offer. You ignored the parts of the post that pointed that out ways that he had been pitching to lessor competition. His era was a product of not pitching against the Yankees and Red Sox (who kicked his ass), but of pitching on the road in bigger ballparks, against inferior opponents less apt to beat him. As for Loiaza how the f*** are you going to tell me that wins are a flawed stat when I use them to talk about Ponson but quote wins in the very next f***ing paragraph??? What kind of bulls*** is that? At least have the decency to live up to your own f***ing arguements! As to Fernandez and Navarro that was an example of taking a pitcher coming off of a career year and comparing him to someone who had a consistant career. I never said anything about when and where they pitched. Don't put words in my mouth.

Anyone looking to make any trades?

Nash equilibrium: each player is making the optimal choice, given the other players´ choice. Sounds to me like it would be possible, not extremely likely, but possible, as long as the peoples optimal profits perfectly aligned with what the other party wanted to do. But that is just off of the top of my head. It has been 10 years since I had Micro...

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